Stats Watch 2017-18

[allyo]

18 hours ago, Auld Jag said:

A  study has said the sadness felt after your football team losses lasts twice as long as the joy felt after a victory,so it says it is not logical to be a football fan.

You could argue that happiness is harder to find, and therefore football gives a relatively good return.

 

But not this season.

[Auld Jag]

On ‎07‎/‎05‎/‎2018 at 3:33 PM, partickthedog said:

Not too aggrieved by Hibs away and Aberdeen and Celtic home, especially the Aberdeen game where we went behind and fought back to go ahead and then again to equalise before going down 4-3.

It is of course the consecutive Dundee and Hamilton defeats which were really costly. Wins would have seen us not far from safe and even draws would put us bang into a 3 team battle to avoid the play offs and much more comfortably distant from automatic relegation. 

The importance of the Dundee and Hamilton defeats are very clear.If we had beat Dundee and drew with Hamilton we would now be on 34 points and Hamilton on 31points and to take it a bit further if we had also beat Ross County on Friday we would have 36 points and safety.

[Jaggernaut]

2 hours ago, Auld Jag said:

The importance of the Dundee and Hamilton defeats are very clear.If we had beat Dundee and drew with Hamilton we would now be on 34 points and Hamilton on 31points and to take it a bit further if we had also beat Ross County on Friday we would have 36 points and safety.

Those defeats also make it clear just how very bad a team we are.

[The Jukebox Rebel]

08.05.2018 Motherwell [h] L0-1 (SPFL Premiership - game 37)
ANOTHER CLUB-RECORD FOR ARCHIE'S DUDS

• With an average age of 28y, 6m, 29d, this starting line-up resets the bar as the oldest of Alan Archibald's managerial career. You need to rewind back to February, 2011, to find an older Thistle team.
• Remarkably, the Thistle vs. Motherwell fixture has delivered 14 competitive games without a repeated outcome (04.10.2014 to date).
• Alan Archibald's Thistle lose to nil for the 15th time in this season's League campaign, duly matching the all-time club-record which was set by Murdo MacLeod's side in 1995-96.
• For only the second season in the last 103 years, Thistle have failed to win back-to-back League games. In all that time, the only other Thistle side to have returned this tragic stat were Archie's Jags themselves in season 2013-14.
• Thistle, with only ONE away League win in the last FIFTEEN months, and not a SINGLE away clean-sheet in 2018, travel to Dens Park on Saturday knowing that if Ross County win at McDiarmid Park, we must also win to avoid finishing bottom of the League and being automatically relegated.

ongoing sequences:

• 7 competitive games without an away win, 3rd Feb 2018 to date. (Longest run since: 10 games; 19th Aug 2017 to 23rd Dec 2017. Club-record: 26 games; 28th Nov 1908 to 28th Aug 1909.)
• 15 competitive games without a clean-sheet away from home, 4th Nov 2017 to date. (Longest run since: 16 games; 14th Oct 1989 to 25th Aug 1990. Club-record: 89 games; 31st Oct 1885 to 23rd Jan 1897.)
• 16 consecutive competitive appearances for Baily Cargill, 23rd Jan 2018 to date. (Longest run since: Ryan Edwards - 35 games; 8th Aug 2017 to 3rd Apr 2018. Club-record: Johnny Jackson - 313 games; 28th Aug 1926 to 25th Mar 1933.)
• 48 games since back-to-back League wins, 11th Mar 2017 to date. (Longest run since: 71 games; 16th Apr 2013 to 14th Mar 2015. Club-record: 77 games; 2nd Nov 1912 to 5th Dec 1914.)

Edited May 9, 2018 by The Jukebox Rebel

[allyo]

I loved this thread last season

[Albert's Ghost]

1 hour ago, The Jukebox Rebel said:

• Thistle, with only ONE away League win in the last FIFTEEN months, and not a SINGLE away clean-sheet in 2018, travel to Dens Park on Saturday needing to match or better Ross County's result at McDiarmid Park to avoid finishing bottom of the League and being automatically relegated.

If County win, we need to win too.   If not, County are down regardless and we're in the playoffs.  So it's not as bad as you say.

[The Jukebox Rebel]

Back-to-back errors in Stats Watch, clearly losing it! As I always say, 4 eyes are better than 2, so thanks Albert, have reworded the entry in question. 

 

 

 

[Auld Jag]

8 hours ago, The Jukebox Rebel said:

Back-to-back errors in Stats Watch, clearly losing it! As I always say, 4 eyes are better than 2, so thanks Albert, have reworded the entry in question. 

 

 

 

Once this season is over(hopefully 3 games still to play) you will need to relax in a darkened room and forget about Thistle stats.

[Auld Jag]

Is this the first season we have started and finished the competitive games against the same team in 2 different competitions?

[allyo]

It's the first time Archie has won the last match of the regular season (as a manager).

Still yet to win a 'meaningless' end of season match.

[BowenBoys]

1 hour ago, Auld Jag said:

Is this the first season we have started and finished the competitive games against the same team in 2 different competitions?

Our first game this season was actually Dumbarton.

[jags on tour]

38 minutes ago, BowenBoys said:

Our first game this season was actually Dumbarton.

think he meant competitive games.

[BowenBoys]

1 minute ago, jags on tour said:

think he meant competitive games.

Yep, I see it now. Apologies AJ.

[Jag]

On 26/04/2018 at 8:34 PM, One t in Scotland said:

He plays for Rob Roy now.

There are actually two Shaun Frasers. The one that played for Thistle plays Saturday morning amateur football for Maryhill Thistle. The other one, who is older, played for Ashfield but I believe is now at Kirkie Rob Roy.

[The Jukebox Rebel]

16 hours ago, Auld Jag said:

Is this the first season we have started and finished the competitive games against the same team in 2 different competitions?

'twill be the sixth occurrence AJ...

20.08.1904 Celtic [h] L0-5 (SFL First Division - game 1)
27.05.1905 Celtic [n] L0-2 (Glasgow Charity Cup Final)

13.08.1927 Queen's Park [h] W2-0 (SFL First Division - game 1)
01.05.1928 Queen's Park [h] L1-2 (Glasgow Charity Cup Quarter Final)

29.08.1939 Rangers [h] L1-4 (Glasgow Cup Quarter Final)
25.05.1940 Rangers [h] L1-3 (Regional League, Western Division - game 30)

14.08.1954 Clyde [h] W3-2 (League Cup Division A, Section C - game 1)
03.05.1955 Clyde [h] L1-2 (Glasgow Charity Cup Quarter Final)

12.08.1967 Airdrieonians [h] L0-1 (League Cup Section 1 - game 1)
27.04.1968 Airdrieonians [a] D0-0 (SFL First Division - game 34)

[The Jukebox Rebel]

12.05.2018 Dundee [a] W1-0 (SPFL Premiership - game 38)
SUPREME CLUB-RECORD FOR KRIS DOOLAN

• Kris Doolan becomes the first Thistle player in history to register a double figures competitive goals tally in EIGHT consecutive seasons, overtaking Jimmy Walker's 64-year-old record of 7-in-a-row. Remarkably, the legendary #9 has done so with a mere 51.7% of game time in 2017-18.
• Kris's strike is his 6th against Dundee in competitive action - only George Smith (8, 1954-1959) has scored more often against the Dark Blues.
• Rather impressively, Thistle have managed to pick up at least 1 booking in all 19 of their away League games this season. Never let it be said that Miles Storey doesn't contribute!
• Thistle win to nil away from home in the League for the first time in over 15 months, the last such occurrence being a 1-0 win at… Dens Park!
• There are now 9 competitive games without a draw between these two, a run which stretches from 16th January, 2016, to date.
• Alan Archibald wins his 50th top-flight game as manager. In that particular wins table, he's chasing down 5th placed Bertie Auld's tally of 65.
• Nominated by Stuart Cosgrove, Ian McCall and Graham Speirs, Thistle are voted "team of the day" by Radio Scotland's "Off The Ball" listenership. The show plays out with "we're halfway there, oh-ho, Livin' On A Prayer"!
• Thistle will now proceed to play in their 8th and 9th League play-off matches in order to determine their League tier status for season 2018-19. The club's historical record (W2 D1 L4) could do with improving…

ongoing sequences:

• 17 consecutive competitive appearances for Baily Cargill, 23rd Jan 2018 to date. (Longest run since: Ryan Edwards - 35 games; 8th Aug 2017 to 3rd Apr 2018. Club-record: Johnny Jackson - 313 games; 28th Aug 1926 to 25th Mar 1933.)
• 49 games since back-to-back League wins, 11th Mar 2017 to date. (Longest run since: 71 games; 16th Apr 2013 to 14th Mar 2015. Club-record: 77 games; 2nd Nov 1912 to 5th Dec 1914.)

[Auld Jag]

32 minutes ago, The Jukebox Rebel said:

'twill be the sixth occurrence AJ...

20.08.1904 Celtic [h] L0-5 (SFL First Division - game 1)
27.05.1905 Celtic [n] L0-2 (Glasgow Charity Cup Final)

13.08.1927 Queen's Park [h] W2-0 (SFL First Division - game 1)
01.05.1928 Queen's Park [h] L1-2 (Glasgow Charity Cup Quarter Final)

29.08.1939 Rangers [h] L1-4 (Glasgow Cup Quarter Final)
25.05.1940 Rangers [h] L1-3 (Regional League, Western Division - game 30)

14.08.1954 Clyde [h] W3-2 (League Cup Division A, Section C - game 1)
03.05.1955 Clyde [h] L1-2 (Glasgow Charity Cup Quarter Final)

12.08.1967 Airdrieonians [h] L0-1 (League Cup Section 1 - game 1)
27.04.1968 Airdrieonians [a] D0-0 (SFL First Division - game 34)

Thanks TJR.

[partickthedog]

3 hours ago, The Jukebox Rebel said:

12.05.2018 Dundee [a] W1-0 (SPFL Premiership - game 38)
SUPREME CLUB-RECORD FOR KRIS DOOLAN

• Kris Doolan becomes the first Thistle player in history to register a double figures competitive goals tally in EIGHT consecutive seasons, overtaking Jimmy Walker's 64-year-old record of 7-in-a-row. Remarkably, the legendary #9 has done so with a mere 51.7% of game time in 2017-18.
• Kris's strike is his 6th against Dundee in competitive action - only George Smith (8, 1954-1959) has scored more often against the Dark Blues.
• Rather impressively, Thistle have managed to pick up at least 1 booking in all 19 of their away League games this season. Never let it be said that Miles Storey doesn't contribute!
• Thistle win to nil away from home in the League for the first time in over 15 months, the last such occurrence being a 1-0 win at… Dens Park!
• There are now 9 competitive games without a draw between these two, a run which stretches from 16th January, 2016, to date.
• Alan Archibald wins his 50th top-flight game as manager. In that particular wins table, he's chasing down 5th placed Bertie Auld's tally of 65.
• Nominated by Stuart Cosgrove, Ian McCall and Graham Speirs, Thistle are voted "team of the day" by Radio Scotland's "Off The Ball" listenership. The show plays out with "we're halfway there, oh-ho, Livin' On A Prayer"!
• Thistle will now proceed to play in their 8th and 9th League play-off matches in order to determine their League tier status for season 2018-19. The club's historical record (W2 D1 L4) could do with improving…

ongoing sequences:

• 17 consecutive competitive appearances for Baily Cargill, 23rd Jan 2018 to date. (Longest run since: Ryan Edwards - 35 games; 8th Aug 2017 to 3rd Apr 2018. Club-record: Johnny Jackson - 313 games; 28th Aug 1926 to 25th Mar 1933.)
• 49 games since back-to-back League wins, 11th Mar 2017 to date. (Longest run since: 71 games; 16th Apr 2013 to 14th Mar 2015. Club-record: 77 games; 2nd Nov 1912 to 5th Dec 1914.)

TJR. Play off matches.

I can think of 6:

Draw & Loss Dundee United

Win & Loss Stranraer

Loss & Win Peterhead

What is the other one (which must be a loss)? I am sure its something obvious which I ought to know!

[a f kincaid]

The remaining Play-Off match was in March 1898 to decide which club would have to apply for re-admission.  Home to Dundee.  Thistle lost 2-0, re-applied and were successful.

[partickthedog]

2 hours ago, a f kincaid said:

The remaining Play-Off match was in March 1898 to decide which club would have to apply for re-admission.  Home to Dundee.  Thistle lost 2-0, re-applied and were successful.

Thank you AFK. That is really interesting.

Without wanting to put you to any extra trouble, what were the grounds for the re-election decision? Did we get back in at the expense of Dundee, even though they had defeated us on the pitch, or were other teams/criteria involved? Imagine the outcry if that were to happen today, although I suppose the Scottish football authorities have never needed any excuse to make up the rules as they go along!

[partickthedog]

21 hours ago, The Jukebox Rebel said:

12.05.2018 Dundee [a] W1-0 (SPFL Premiership - game 38)
SUPREME CLUB-RECORD FOR KRIS DOOLAN

• Kris Doolan becomes the first Thistle player in history to register a double figures competitive goals tally in EIGHT consecutive seasons, overtaking Jimmy Walker's 64-year-old record of 7-in-a-row. Remarkably, the legendary #9 has done so with a mere 51.7% of game time in 2017-18.
• Kris's strike is his 6th against Dundee in competitive action - only George Smith (8, 1954-1959) has scored more often against the Dark Blues.
• Rather impressively, Thistle have managed to pick up at least 1 booking in all 19 of their away League games this season. Never let it be said that Miles Storey doesn't contribute!
• Thistle win to nil away from home in the League for the first time in over 15 months, the last such occurrence being a 1-0 win at… Dens Park!
• There are now 9 competitive games without a draw between these two, a run which stretches from 16th January, 2016, to date.
• Alan Archibald wins his 50th top-flight game as manager. In that particular wins table, he's chasing down 5th placed Bertie Auld's tally of 65.
• Nominated by Stuart Cosgrove, Ian McCall and Graham Speirs, Thistle are voted "team of the day" by Radio Scotland's "Off The Ball" listenership. The show plays out with "we're halfway there, oh-ho, Livin' On A Prayer"!
• Thistle will now proceed to play in their 8th and 9th League play-off matches in order to determine their League tier status for season 2018-19. The club's historical record (W2 D1 L4) could do with improving…

ongoing sequences:

• 17 consecutive competitive appearances for Baily Cargill, 23rd Jan 2018 to date. (Longest run since: Ryan Edwards - 35 games; 8th Aug 2017 to 3rd Apr 2018. Club-record: Johnny Jackson - 313 games; 28th Aug 1926 to 25th Mar 1933.)
• 49 games since back-to-back League wins, 11th Mar 2017 to date. (Longest run since: 71 games; 16th Apr 2013 to 14th Mar 2015. Club-record: 77 games; 2nd Nov 1912 to 5th Dec 1914.)

Cannot get that Bon Jovi song out of my head now.

But for some reason I keep singing it as "Livingston...A Prayer".

[lady-isobel-barnett]

4 hours ago, partickthedog said:

Cannot get that Bon Jovi song out of my head now.

But for some reason I keep singing it as "Livingston...A Prayer".

I'm sure I've heard Nazareth playing "Mid Called Her Name" and I know Lionel Richie sings a song "Uphall  Night"

[The Jukebox Rebel]

9 hours ago, partickthedog said:

Cannot get that Bon Jovi song out of my head now.

But for some reason I keep singing it as "Livingston...A Prayer".

Och, baws. I'll be singing that 'til Monday noo. 

Re our first-ever play-off match, I'm not sure how many were in the annual promotion/relegation ballot in 1897-98 (there were Thistle, St Bernard's, Clyde and Kilmarnock at least) but it'd be common for several sides to be vying for the vote, and in this particular season, the Top 3 in the ballot would gain/retain top-flight status. Sometimes they didn't even adhere to the expected cut-off points for automatic re-election process; there are several instances of mid-table lower league clubs or even non-League clubs being cherry-picked to join the annual ballot for promotion/relegation/admission. Does your face fit/are you in the masons? Whaur dae ye bide? Can yer team mak' a good fist o' it? Have you got enough money to cover the away team's guarantee? These were the concerns. Thankfully, Thistle had proven themselves in many of these ways, and were never in serious danger of failing the re-election process on this particular occasion; the play-off game in March 1898 was a bit of a box-ticking exercise.

This is how I wrote about it in the Willie Paul story:

In terms of the League, the Scottish Sport’s rallying call from 12 months earlier came back to haunt us, although we very nearly escaped the dreaded “re-election zone” – just another solitary point would have ensured an outright 7th place finish. Somewhat miraculously, Dundee pulled off an unlikely victory against title-chasing Rangers on the last day of the season to catch Thistle. With Dundee and Thistle therefore locked in joint 7th, the SFL committee deemed a play-off necessary, to decide which of the two would be put forward for re-election.

Dundee agreed to play the game at Meadowside where a bigger gate was expected. Way back in September, Thistle, with a Willie Paul goal, had defeated Dundee 3-1 at Meadowside. Alas, there was to be no repeat performance, and Thistle failed to take home advantage, losing by 2 goals to 0, our third competitive defeat at the hands of the Dundonians this season.

For the second season running, our status as a Top-Flight club was dependent on the votes of our fellow Scottish League member clubs.

Our destination was settled on Monday 30th May 1898 at the Scottish Football League’s AGM held in the chambers at West Regent Street. Much to the disappointment of Kilmarnock, the Second Division champions, the status-quo in the First Division was maintained – all at Meadowside could breathe a sigh of relief. Interestingly, a motion from Celtic that, in future, the bottom two in the First Division should retire in favour of the first two in the Second Division was carried unanimously. At some point in the forthcoming 12 months this was clearly rescinded as automatic promotion / relegation was only first introduced in season 1921-22 – a whole quarter-century later!

Read more fascinating detail about 1897-98 at PT Early Years:
http://ptearlyyears.net/1890s/1897-98

 

 

 

[partickthedog]

45 minutes ago, The Jukebox Rebel said:

Och, baws. I'll be singing that 'til Monday noo. 

Re our first-ever play-off match, I'm not sure how many were in the annual promotion/relegation ballot in 1897-98 (there were Thistle, St Bernard's, Clyde and Kilmarnock at least) but it'd be common for several sides to be vying for the vote, and in this particular season, the Top 3 in the ballot would gain/retain top-flight status. Sometimes they didn't even adhere to the expected cut-off points for automatic re-election process; there are several instances of mid-table lower league clubs or even non-League clubs being cherry-picked to join the annual ballot for promotion/relegation/admission. Does your face fit/are you in the masons? Whaur dae ye bide? Can yer team mak' a good fist o' it? Have you got enough money to cover the away team's guarantee? These were the concerns. Thankfully, Thistle had proven themselves in many of these ways, and were never in serious danger of failing the re-election process on this particular occasion; the play-off game in March 1898 was a bit of a box-ticking exercise.

This is how I wrote about it in the Willie Paul story:

In terms of the League, the Scottish Sport’s rallying call from 12 months earlier came back to haunt us, although we very nearly escaped the dreaded “re-election zone” – just another solitary point would have ensured an outright 7th place finish. Somewhat miraculously, Dundee pulled off an unlikely victory against title-chasing Rangers on the last day of the season to catch Thistle. With Dundee and Thistle therefore locked in joint 7th, the SFL committee deemed a play-off necessary, to decide which of the two would be put forward for re-election.

Dundee agreed to play the game at Meadowside where a bigger gate was expected. Way back in September, Thistle, with a Willie Paul goal, had defeated Dundee 3-1 at Meadowside. Alas, there was to be no repeat performance, and Thistle failed to take home advantage, losing by 2 goals to 0, our third competitive defeat at the hands of the Dundonians this season.

For the second season running, our status as a Top-Flight club was dependent on the votes of our fellow Scottish League member clubs.

Our destination was settled on Monday 30th May 1898 at the Scottish Football League’s AGM held in the chambers at West Regent Street. Much to the disappointment of Kilmarnock, the Second Division champions, the status-quo in the First Division was maintained – all at Meadowside could breathe a sigh of relief. Interestingly, a motion from Celtic that, in future, the bottom two in the First Division should retire in favour of the first two in the Second Division was carried unanimously. At some point in the forthcoming 12 months this was clearly rescinded as automatic promotion / relegation was only first introduced in season 1921-22 – a whole quarter-century later!

Read more fascinating detail about 1897-98 at PT Early Years:
http://ptearlyyears.net/1890s/1897-98

Many thanks TJR. Just love these historical tales. I note that very wisely Kilmarnock were given the heave. Was this the origin of the "I'm no a Killie" song?

Also I am presuming that St Bernard's waltzed through with Thistle.

 

 

 

[a f kincaid]

20 hours ago, partickthedog said:

Thank you AFK. That is really interesting.

Without wanting to put you to any extra trouble, what were the grounds for the re-election decision? Did we get back in at the expense of Dundee, even though they had defeated us on the pitch, or were other teams/criteria involved? Imagine the outcry if that were to happen today, although I suppose the Scottish football authorities have never needed any excuse to make up the rules as they go along!

TJR has replied in depth PTG.  He's the sorcerer, I'm merely the apprentice. 

All I would add is that in the days before goal average/difference and with Thistle and Dundee locked on 13 points, they were deemed to have finished equal.  Just as well!  Dundee's goal difference was -7, Thistle's (you've guessed it) was -30 just like this season.  Spooky or what?