jlsarmy Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Anybody else think it's worth a shot in offering Paul Paton a short term contract , watching the game yesterday we absolutely need dig in the midfield and somebody to push us on. Know he didn't leave in the best of circumstances but do you know if he helped to keep us in the Premier League it wouldn't bother me in the slightest, the implications for us getting relegated financially and even infrastructure ( academy etc ) are huge, must be a gamble worth taking ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Why did St Johnstone get rid ?If we have the budget might be worth a shout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Is Paton better than any player we already have? I don't think so. The time for strengthening the squad was January but the manager did not deem it necessary as all the injured players were going to come back and strengthen us. Which hasn't yet been the case unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 29 minutes ago, Big Col said: Is Paton better than any player we already have? I don't think so. The time for strengthening the squad was January but the manager did not deem it necessary as all the injured players were going to come back and strengthen us. Which hasn't yet been the case unfortunately. I guess we do not know if he is any better than the squad we have at present - but given that we are fast running out of time and out of points I would say give it a shot and I would argue that in my opinion he probably could not be any worse than some of the players we have at present. A gamble was taken by the club not to recruit new players in January because we had players coming back who would be like new signings - in my opinion so far that has largely failed (I would add that so far so has the move to send them to Spain for a week at considerable expense in January also looks so far to have failed) - too much was gambled on Osman coming back and so far that has not worked out - Woods while looking a useful player also worryingly appears to have a tendency to pick up knocks For me the excuse cant be used of we dont have money - as im pretty sure money would have been available in January had a number of those injured not been back, besides given that Paton is not with a club I cant believe he will cost a fortune - more importantly is how much money it will cost the club if we go down. As I say we are fast running out of ideas and points - and right now have to try almost anything - give a Paton a deal to the end of the season if it works out great it will more than have been worth the money - if not then quite frankly we had to try something because I am struggling to believe that many of this current crop of players will be able to get us out of this relegation battle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 hours ago, jlsarmy said: Anybody else think it's worth a shot in offering Paul Paton a short term contract , watching the game yesterday we absolutely need dig in the midfield and somebody to push us on. Know he didn't leave in the best of circumstances but do you know if he helped to keep us in the Premier League it wouldn't bother me in the slightest, the implications for us getting relegated financially and even infrastructure ( academy etc ) are huge, must be a gamble worth taking ? To be fair he did leave because at that time a bigger club came in with more money for him - I wasnt happy with him at that time - but if he is brought in and plays his part in keeping us up then I will be delighted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 If Paul Paton is not deemed to be good enough by St Johnstone then perhaps the answer to the question is self-evident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted February 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Big Col said: Is Paton better than any player we already have? I don't think so. The time for strengthening the squad was January but the manager did not deem it necessary as all the injured players were going to come back and strengthen us. Which hasn't yet been the case unfortunately. Don’t think we’ve got a player like Paton in the squad just now , nearest we’ve got is Osman who doesn’t look like he’s up to speed after injury and his mistakes are costing us goals Paton likes a tackle , got a good range of passing and most importantly hates losing . At this moment it’s most definitely worth a shot , he’s a free agent, knows the Club and a lot of the players , it’s a no brainer for me and might get Archie out of jail ( don’t think we need to bring players in with the injured players coming back ) Don’t think he’s called that one right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted February 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: If Paul Paton is not deemed to be good enough by St Johnstone then perhaps the answer to the question is self-evident. Could say the same about Blair Spittal, not good enough for Dundee United , Czerny not good enough for Hibs , Sammon not good enough for Hearts , think it was more of a financial decision than a playing one . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, jlsarmy said: Could say the same about Blair Spittal, not good enough for Dundee United , Czerny not good enough for Hibs , Sammon not good enough for Hearts , think it was more of a financial decision than a playing one . I can see your logic, but Blair is 21 and was playing with a shower of losers, Tomasz' specialist skills are the least transferable in a team, and Conor.......well I've no idea why it hasn't worked out for him with Hearts because he was decent at Killie last year and has come on to be more than decent for us this season. As for Paton, I think it would be a retrograde move. A fully fit Martin Woods would be ideal, but then I guess that if he were fully fit, he wouldn't have been without a club when we signed him last October. Edited February 25, 2018 by Barney Rubble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metz Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Under no circumstances would I be happy to see Paton back, I couldn't stand him when he was there before. He wouldn't add anything to the team and I don't recall him making much difference to a Utd team that went down with a whimper. He is a vile individual with a ego that is way beyond his talents and the longer he's out of the game the better as far as I am concerned. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angry gaz Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 It would be a desperation signing.....................and we' re desperate. is he fitter than Osman and Woods , if so I would take him. This is a last throw of the dice for the manager and possibly the only one he can make unless there is some other unattached player out there/ Not signing a proper midfielder in January and relying on the injured players coming back in and performing at a good level, has backfired enormously as many said it would. So many mistakes and worse still the repeating of mistakes have been made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One t in Scotland Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, angry gaz said: Is he fitter than Osman and Woods , if so I would take him. I'm fitter than that pair. £22 to watch half the team blowing out their erse in the last 20 minutes every week. Totally unacceptable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow & Redneck Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 A hard as nails player who hates losing, and is willing to call out his own teammates if they aren't performing...nope, wouldn't fit in well with this bunch of players. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 5 hours ago, Metz said: Under no circumstances would I be happy to see Paton back, I couldn't stand him when he was there before. He wouldn't add anything to the team and I don't recall him making much difference to a Utd team that went down with a whimper. He is a vile individual with a ego that is way beyond his talents and the longer he's out of the game the better as far as I am concerned. So, I'll put you down as a maybe? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCjag Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 It's a matter of time and temperature. When Hell freezes over! His mysterious departure from St J suggests far more than his media pleadings have revealed. This was not a major cull of their playing staff, this was specific and involved a player who was not only a regular pick in their first team, but also in the Northern Ireland international squad. We are in enough trouble without adding this odious character to the squad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 12 hours ago, jlsarmy said: Could say the same about Blair Spittal, not good enough for Dundee United , Czerny not good enough for Hibs , Sammon not good enough for Hearts , think it was more of a financial decision than a playing one . I was thinking the same thing. Almost all of our players were released by other clubs. Why? Because they weren't considered to be good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 10 hours ago, Metz said: Under no circumstances would I be happy to see Paton back, I couldn't stand him when he was there before. He wouldn't add anything to the team and I don't recall him making much difference to a Utd team that went down with a whimper. He is a vile individual with a ego that is way beyond his talents and the longer he's out of the game the better as far as I am concerned. So, that's a "No" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 I doubt if Paton is match fit, so risky to sign him at this stage in the season. But we do need some steel in the midfield and a captain that asserts himself. Spittal and Osman do not fit the bill and bringing back Woods and giving Sammon the captaincy would help. Quite apart from his poor captaincy, Osman has been a disappointment since returning from injury and needs replaced. So if Paton can quickly be made match fit, there is nothing to lose in signing him. since no alternative signings are at all likely. Doing that however may be beyond the wit of our fitness coach judging by the seeming lack of fitness among the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulo Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 We've got players who are match fit and play in that position. McCarthy anyone? Still not understanding Archie's reluctance with him and Penrice. Would much rather see one of these guys in there instead of Paton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fearchar Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Christie Elliot will be returning shortly, which should boost the squad spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart_adam Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Have to say fast losing confidence in our midfield... Edwards and Erskine cant defend Osman and Woods look unfit Bannigan and Fraser are taking up two wages and providing nothing in return. Spittal looks burnt out and could do with a rest. Lawless isn’t getting enough game time McCarthy isn’t getting enough game time Barton is better at sweeper Mind you the defence isn’t exactly covering themselves in glory at the moment. Cargill - looks good but prone to errors, too slow at times Devine & Keown - Both have been awful all season Booth - im not sure offers anything more than Penrice... id maybe give young James a chance. Dumbuya - unfit, should be playing 60mins max then replaced by McGinn or vice versa truthfully, I think Paul would be an ideal signing, purely for his attitude and his dig. He can also pass a ball 5 yards much unlike the current team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 If Paul Paton is the answer, we are asking the wrong question. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted February 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 8 hours ago, sandy said: If Paul Paton is the answer, we are asking the wrong question. Not being sarcastic but what would your solution be with 10 games to go , nobody is saying that Paul Paton is the long term answer but if he can help us to not be relegated and all the financial implications that go with it etc etc , I would go with it . At this moment I don’t think we’re good enough to stay up . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Stronach Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, stuart_adam said: Have to say fast losing confidence in our midfield... Edwards and Erskine cant defend Osman and Woods look unfit Bannigan and Fraser are taking up two wages and providing nothing in return. Spittal looks burnt out and could do with a rest. Lawless isn’t getting enough game time McCarthy isn’t getting enough game time Barton is better at sweeper Mind you the defence isn’t exactly covering themselves in glory at the moment. Cargill - looks good but prone to errors, too slow at times Devine & Keown - Both have been awful all season Booth - im not sure offers anything more than Penrice... id maybe give young James a chance. Dumbuya - unfit, should be playing 60mins max then replaced by McGinn or vice versa truthfully, I think Paul would be an ideal signing, purely for his attitude and his dig. He can also pass a ball 5 yards much unlike the current team Booth was outstanding on Saturday. Best player on the pitch. Edited February 26, 2018 by Tom Stronach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Tom Stronach said: Booth was outstanding on Saturday. Best player on the pitch. Had an excellent game. We've struggled in both left back and left wingback positions most of the season with only the odd creditable showing from Turnbull or Lawless to compensate. Left flank is the least of our worries. Btw if Paton has anything to offer the division he'd surely have been signed by Roy McGregor United by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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