dl1971 Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 To try and compare PTFC with Ferguson and MUFC is a tad fanciful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Hankey said: Archie is unsackable and can do as he likes. The majority of the fanbase have made that abundantly clear. I don't think that is the case at all. There are some on here, though, that are giving him no credit for keeping us in the league for 4 seasons, getting us to top 6 and just missing out the previous season. It seems that 1 bad season is tarnishing everything else and that is why there are many on here supporting him. I am unsure whether he should stay or go. If he does go, I hope he has a successful career elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 16 hours ago, macaroon said: Fair enough but what industry can afford to ignore it's customer base. In some countries the workers do elect the management or at least have a strong representation on the mgt board, Germany for example seems to do reasonably well economically. The workers are not customers and I haven't seen any poll asking fans whether Archie should stay or go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 16 hours ago, jlsarmy said: Read all the posters , can't really believe supporters are backing Archibald, it was an absolutely dreadful season and are the Club really going to reward the manager for failure who incidentally had probably the biggest budget any PTFC manager has ever had by asking him to stay on. The support is obviously split as regards Alan Archibald because of the previous years and his playing career, I happen to think as the league got stronger with Sevco , Hearts and Hibs coming back into the league the management team were found wanting in terms of tactics , style of play and player recruitment . The impact on the Club after relegation is huge , just look at Dundee Utd's accounts after relegation . The Board should have changed the manager in January to at least have given us a chance of staying up and that would have given the new manager the Jan transfer window to add to the squad If supporters think we're going back up in a season with all the cuts etc , they are being totally unrealistic, building a new team will take a lot of time hopefully with a mix of experience ( Doolan , Erskine ) and young players who we can give a pathway to first team football and with the right coach make them better players , if we don't try and do it this way we should forget about the Academy as there is really no point and the money the Weirs and the Club are spending should be allocated elsewhere . After the last 5 years and Archibalds track record with young players coming through Lindsay and McCarthy exempted are we really going to put our trust in him to deliver this ? The thing is every likely candidate will have failed somewhere in their career. Or someone who has no experience at this level ? Is it better to put our trust in them ? and if so why ? Even Hopkin got Livingston relegated. I don't know much about the young players and if any of them are good enough for 1st team football. Lindsay grew into a decent player last season and McCarthy has done ok without being outstanding. Penrice not getting game time was a bit baffling admittedly. It is speculation that Archibald couldn't identify players. There are other factors like whether those players were offered attractive enough deals or wanted to play for Thistle. It is also speculation that there was any money available in January. Unless you or anyone else has inside knowledge about our situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 16 hours ago, Big Col said: I think the board needs to say something about the managerial position and before the season ticket renewal letters are issued. With the support so split, it would be madness for them not to say anything. Agree.Particularly after their statement on Sunday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 13 hours ago, Paolo said: I agree,. A lot of people saying a 5 year plan,. Any manager should be told what we expect, promotion in your first season or youre out And any manager would ask what resources are you giving me. So, Paolo, should the board give him a blank cheque ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Jag said: I tried to explain to my son a few weeks ago that relegation wouldn't be all bad. I had kind of convinced myself too that it wouldn't be the end of the world and if it happened I wouldn't let it bother me too much. However, this is exactly what I am finding difficult to deal with. We had so many chances to get ourselves out of it and we couldn't do it. Regardless of how poor a season we had, we had chances, right up until the final day and we blew it. It was avoidable as you say and would have been a lot easier than finding our way back. There were 3 games in particular that sealed our fate. The two late defeats vs Dundee and at Hamilton and the 4-0 away to County. I think different results in anyone of those would have seen us safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 hour ago, dl1971 said: To try and compare PTFC with Ferguson and MUFC is a tad fanciful. Why ? Because of what he eventually achieved ? Do you know that St. Mirren sacked him ? Speculation, I know but maybe it would have been St Mirren winning the Cup Winners Cup and the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 42 minutes ago, Lenziejag said: The workers are not customers and I haven't seen any poll asking fans whether Archie should stay or go. Maybe the board are waiting for this forum to have a poll :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 ARCHIE IS STAYING! https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/archibald-to-stay-as-manager-as-thistle-plots-way-back-to-premiership/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMac Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, Lenziejag said: Why ? Because of what he eventually achieved ? Do you know that St. Mirren sacked him ? Speculation, I know but maybe it would have been St Mirren winning the Cup Winners Cup and the league. From memory, I think Fergie told one of the St Mirren Directors to F*** Off, that got him his books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMac Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, JAG1970 said: ARCHIE IS STAYING! https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/archibald-to-stay-as-manager-as-thistle-plots-way-back-to-premiership/ Well that's that settled, let's hope it's the right decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 The statement says rebuilding the squad has started so putting 2 and 2 together and going for 5 - Is Kenny Miller likely to be our first signing as player/coach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Ok. We now move on C'mon Archie get us back up tout suite. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 "We have also agreed that we must return to playing football like Partick Thistle – we can’t be anyone else" Interesting comment from the chairman... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 What a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted May 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 As an old boss of mine would have described this as..... ‘ a brave decision’...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Really puzzling and surprising, but good luck to Alan Archibald MkII. I hope that some measurable mid season targets have been set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted May 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, eljaggo said: Really puzzling and surprising, but good luck to Alan Archibald MkII. I hope that some measurable mid season targets have been set. I think if you read the statement his goals are 1. Win promotion next season 2. Play the PTFC way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 I take that is a cryptic comment Javeajag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted May 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, eljaggo said: I take that is a cryptic comment Javeajag. Why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weebaw1 Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Very disappointed, mainly because of total lack of any entertainment and less than a goal a game. Who wants to watch this guff? But I hope he can find a way to address this. If so there should be some great games next season. And I for one will be 100pc supportive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p12tfc Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, javeajag said: I think if you read the statement his goals are 1. Win promotion next season 2. Play the PTFC way I read it is as possibly 1 year in championship then promotion the following season minimum. Whether you agree with Archie staying or not that's a brilliant statement. Fans know the target that's been set which is a rarity in football these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just read the statement again. Crystal clear, probably the most clear cut intent I've seen from a Thistle board. Rebuilding has already begun? This is getting exciting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, javeajag said: Why Because I think giving him a full season without review is too long, and playing "the Partick Thistle way"can be interpreted in a number of ways and is therefore useless as a performance criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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