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  1. 19 points
    My sister managed to get all 3 goals on camera somehow. 5787CB82-8FD3-4DC8-B467-FB567C23A8A9.MP4 1FFA33D2-B973-488D-B192-B52282D72E07.MP4 AB970605-B5E6-4D93-B9C7-8613B568B095.MP4
  2. 14 points
    Does anyone else the now miss the golden Halcyon days of folk on here arguing about whether Archie should be sacked or not? Compared to the complete shit show and financial toilet paper dumpster fire this place is now? Its as if we are all in an endless circle of hell with posts from the same people arguing over the same things in a rotating cycle of crap with no new information. Wish i could just bug out and not look at this site anymore but unfortunately my love of our club means every time there is a new post, I will always have a look hoping that some sort of info on what is happening has been shared. I post this to send my love to my fellow lurkers who are stuck in this hellish loop with me.
  3. 12 points
    I’ve decided to give posting in this thread a break for now. Mainly because I see the arguments going round in circles and getting more personal as time goes ever so slowly by. I am getting more convinced by the day that the sale to the consortium is already a done deal. I am a staunch advocate for social ownership. Not just for football clubs but in many areas of society. Land ownership, housing, community centres, leisure facilities and power generation just to name a few. I do believe ordinary people can run social enterprises for the benefit of the community they are a part of. We do not always need external experts or professional business people to run our lives for us. If we take the opportunity we can shape our own society to the way that suits us best. So, to me Thistle fans owning their own club is a no-brainer and I believe it may be the only way for us to have a Partick Thistle we can continue to support and be proud of. We will be able to support our team to succeed on the pitch for footballing reasons and not because it brings a profit to shareholders whose only interest in PTFC is to make money. We want teams who do well and win because they are OUR teams and not because we can squeeze a bit more cash from the club. Football would be the biggest factor in our interest. Not just looking for a financial return by getting higher in the league. . We would be building and preserving the club for our children and grandchildren. Much of the objections on this thread have become personality driven. The people behind the move towards fan ownership are disliked by some posters. Others have a dislike to other personalities and nothing they do will ever be right with them. Some have a mistrust running so deep they wouldn’t believe the time of day from any of the other side. Then on the other hand there’s people who staunchly back the consortium purely because they trust the current chair and because he says it’s a good idea. They back his plans no matter how vague and indeterminate they are. Well as I said I am all for fan ownership and as of yet there is no hard and fast template for how that would go with Thistle. But the fact is it is fans who will shape the future of the organisation which will run the club if they decide to go down that road. The more fans who become involved the wider the knowledge base to draw on. The more ideas there will be to choose from. So if the TFE ideas do move on to a further stage I will be ready to step up to do what I can. But until then I will watch things unfold and I only hope that by the time things do become a bit clearer that it’s not too late.
  4. 12 points
    I think this deserves a thread of it's own https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/wearethistle-fundraising/ Well done Phil and well done us.
  5. 11 points
    Only with bigoted gammons.
  6. 11 points
    So. You love your job. You love the organisation, to the extent that you go out your way to be a champion and a role model for it. It's been your home, so to speak, for the last decade and you don't see yourself working anywhere else. In fact, you are even due to be rewarded for your service and loyalty and to top it off, your customers love you. Your boss, who's not been in the job for very long, asks to see you and tells you that you're no longer required as he wants to move the organisation "in a different direction". I'd be more than devastated. It quite honestly is an abhorrent way to treat someone who has been an outstanding example to all who work with or support Partick Thistle. Yes, Kris hasn't had a great couple of seasons, but neither has the rest of the team. Without the midfield creating the chances efforts on goal were few and far between. Lets face it, we could have had Lionel Messi playing for us and he would've struggled to score goals. There is no doubting Kris's ability or his commitment by anyone other than Gary Caldwell (his commitment to the club might actually have been the problem for Caldwell, he saw Doolan as a threat). Keeping him at the club for his experience and knowledge, plus his development as a coach, and dare I suggest a potential future manage, was surely a no brainer. It's these kind of professionals that other clubs would kill to have. With the right recruitment I'm sure he would be back scoring plenty. Releasing the guy is bonkers, and the manner in which this has been handled almost seems malicious. Caldwell has made a rod for his own back now with this. There are signs that he's turned it round, but if it goes wrong at the start of the season for him it seems likely many fans will give him short shrift. I really thought that as a club PTFC was better than this.
  7. 11 points
  8. 10 points
    I'm not going to quote the nonsense that's appearing on here in support of the consortium bid - plenty of other folk have rightly picked it apart as the drivel it is. Let's be clear, if we sell the club to a group of venture capitalists because they're 'business people' then we deserve all we get. And what we WON'T get is a successful football club. At best, it'll be an incubation pod for young footballers who we'll get to watch for precisely as long as it takes to transfer them out for as much money as possible. Money which will then go to the owners, not the club. To dismiss every concern about New City Finance as just fans being fickle is ridiculous. There's no evidence that these people have benefited either of the clubs they've been involved with! Why should we welcome them to Firhill? Because they're 'business people'?! They're here to make money, not to benefit Partick Thistle. And anyone who thinks the two inevitably go hand in hand are mistaking a financially successful company with a successful sporting organisation - they're not necessarily the same. I'm sick to the back teeth of reading about people who 'aren't against fan ownership', but have done everything in their power to belittle and sneer at any attempt to put it in place at Thistle. Much as I disagree with fellow Thistle fans about, well, almost everything, I'd rather have Thistle fans owning the club than a bunch of money vampires.
  9. 10 points
    I became an Uncle at around 8am this morning, by 12 o'clock the wee man is a PTFC season ticket holder! Youngest ever??
  10. 10 points
    For me Friday night is not about being pro/anti the old Board, pro/anti the new Board or pro/anti a takeover it is just about being PRO PARTICK THISTLE. The eleven guys on the pitch might not be the eleven best players to have played for our club but on Friday night we need to get right behind them and do whatever we can to help them get the result we all want. C'mon the Jags!
  11. 10 points
    Our U16/17 team are currently in Northern Ireland taking part in the Foyle Cup. They won their group with 3 wins out of 3 and have now won 2 more games to reach tomorrow's final. Our U15s are in Iceland taking part in the Rey Cup. They won 2 and lost 1 of their group games and are in the semi final to be played tomorrow. With Evan Galasso and Callum Wilson having had game time in the first team as we topped our League Cup group and a graduate of the youth academy, Aidan Fitzpatrick, having moved to an English Premiership side for several hundred thousand pounds there is a lot to be positive about. Good luck to both of our youth teams over the weekend and to the first team over the season! C'mon the Jags!
  12. 10 points
    Thanks everybody. Eunice and I went to TGI Friday in Braehead , as that was always Roberts choice for his birthday meal.
  13. 10 points
    Just as well it wasn't planned for tomorrow. There would be mass panic amongst the Airdrie fans at the sight of sheriff officers.
  14. 10 points
    I wish to God we'd sign someone so we could stop posting about this and instead come on here to discuss how shite they are...
  15. 9 points
    There is nothing inherently good about 'Business'. The fact that people set up organisations to make money for their own self-interest doesn't make them competent or trustworthy. The assumption that the role of any football club, and their fans, is to simply hand over their resources and money to such organisations because they 'know what they're doing' is risible. 'Business models' have created huge amounts of human misery and led to the downfall of not a few football clubs along the way. There is an inherent snobbishness about many of the comments on here about the money invested in the club by Colin Weir - he only won it, he didn't get it by running a successful business ( in other words, making profits from other people), so it's not the kind of money we want. It's a 'comfort blanket', it's only a subsidy, it'll run out. Colin Weir's millions are just as relevant as the guy Conway. More so, in my opinion, as he didn't gain them through venture capitalism. Conway and his ilk are parasites. I don't want them anywhere near Thistle.
  16. 9 points
    I've been reading Thistle forums for, I think, 20 years going back to the first days of Over Land and Sea. This is, without a doubt, the worst thread I've ever read on any of the various sites over the years. Anyway, carry on.
  17. 9 points
    Ah, so that was what Caldwell was getting at when he said he was looking to the Jags away support to give the team a lift.
  18. 9 points
    That was a good watch. Articulate. Young and modern. Explained why and how. Hats off to the club and to Gary for doing this. Some background to me. I love Archie. Wanted him to stay and was gutted he left. In hindsight he should have left after relegation. Still can't work out how we were relegated 12 months on and the relegation was a perfect storm with Maxwell and Beattie leaving. Caldwell has been an improvement. I love Erskine. I'll bore my kids about this guy. I genuinely get excited seeing him and I'm 41. Was raging he left. In hindsight if pushed I'd say it was the right decision. I worship Doolan. It's embarassing. On and off field he is a role model for me let alone younger people. Caldwell made the choice. That's his job. I'm still not happy about it. It's made me give a lot more to his testimonial! But like the end of a relationship you need to let go or it eats you up inside. Partick Thistle is my club. It is our club. Forever and ever. It's genuinely helped me in tough times by just being there, losing yourself in the crowd and forgetting your worries by becoming consumed by working out our formation, frustrated at the full back leaving space and demanding a substitution. As I said after last season. We start again.
  19. 9 points
    Evening started with Gerry introducing Gary Caldwell. Some jokes about PowerPoint. We then heard a 40ish minute presentation on Gary's football philosophy, how we played when he arrived, the changes he made, how we played after he arrived (pre and post Christmas) and his reflections on how we move forward along with how we prepare for games. Some stats and film accompanied each of the areas. Some of the points made through these areas that l remember were - players psychology is really important and needs to be managed with real delicacy. On his arrival this was a real problem area. - we didn't press other teams enough when we lost the ball. This is important to his philosophy and improved as he managed to shape the team more - he wanted a strong spine for the team and that influenced his transfer window purchases ( two central defenders, defensive midfielder and forward). - Questioned some of the teams dedication to the cause. Important they play for team not their own satisfaction. Spoke about you do what's needed for the team. - Acknowledged McDonald's influence - wanted to sign him earlier but McDonald took his time. Also said he was fitter than he had ever seen him. - Wasn't able to implement individual training plans to address individual weakness (spoke about Storey and crossing) given our situation ie fighting relegation, but will do this going forward. - will start pre-season early and have us ready to peak at the beginning of the season. That's what l remember of the Gary outline of where we were, where we are and what is gonna happen from here. Hope this is of some help to those not there and not too distorted for those who were!
  20. 9 points
    I've always found the forum a good place to keep in touch with Thistle things during the summer when there's no matches. This closed season though it's beginning to look like it will be a good place to avoid as I can't see any topic not turning into an excuse to have a go at the manager, board and chief exec.
  21. 9 points
    The problem on this thread is that the people who want rid of Caldwell are painting those who don't as accepting of mediocrity, or naive hero worshippers, when in fact most people who want Caldwell to stay are able to see the faults, are not 100% convinced, are disappointed with the season overall, but are realistic enough to know that he took over a team with problems and just think he has done enough to be given a chance. Very different. There has to be more room for a bit of nuance, rather than this angry 'with us or against us' attitude, which dominates on most social media these days but I'd have thought we could get beyond on a Thistle fans' forum.
  22. 8 points
    I've said it elsewhere, so I'll say it here, too...the last year has been f*cking mental, so let's hope this is the first step towards stability. I backed Caldwell's appointment and willed him to turn things around, but it was becoming more and more reminiscent of the Dick Campbell era. Friday's game was the straw that broke the camel's back. Add to that the takeover saga and infighting (guilty as charged) and it's no surprise that some of us were a little...distracted. I'm looking forward to regaining and maintaining my focus on supporting the team.
  23. 8 points
    I’d really hope that any board employing any manager would have these clauses in for at least the first contract (extensions may remove need for these after a time), it appears our beloved Mr Caldwell doesn’t have these or he would have been bumped at Xmas or at least end of season. If hiring a proven successful manager currently in a job I could see him having the upper hand and refusing these. If hiring a manager who’s relegated 2 clubs 3 times, been fired twice and currently out of work at effectively at “last chance saloon” the board should have held all the cards and been able to insist on these being in place. If Caldwell wasn’t happy with them then one of the other guys who applied (With better credentials) then gets the nod. Completely bizarre how he got the job with his record, was offered the job if (as rumored) the CEO said no, kept the job after using a false reason for failure at Chesterfield leading to the club having to remove a statement on the official site due to threat of legal action from Chesterfield, kept his job after no wins in 10 or something games, was allowed to punt Erskine & Doolan in the manner it was done, was given credit for avoiding relegation on last game of season when his remit was promotion. Caldwell is a poor poor manager, but those in charge who hired him, stood by him as we failed, stood back and did nothing as two club legends were treated like crap are far far worse and completely to blame for where we are now. Relying on a 36 yr old striker to (Thankfully) pull us out a hole (at more a week than most our players were on in prem ) should have sent alarm bells ringing to those in charge, but no he’s allowed to sign a 39yr old on a higher wage on a longer contract, then moan he can’t get enough players. Again fault lies above him too.
  24. 8 points
    'Partick Thistle are a special club.' Alan Archibald said it, David Beattie said it, we all believe it to be true, but what does it mean? For a lot of folk, Thistle's 'specialness' began at Cappielow when we scored and the players ran to the new interim manager to celebrate. Then it was 'we've got this' and Doolan and Erskine and Lawless and winning promotion and getting into the top six and kids in free and Kingsley and us just being, well, special. But there's a lot of chapters in the Thistle story and that was just one of them. There was the phoenix-like rise from the Second Division to beat Rangers on the opening day and then put four past Celtic in one half to win the League Cup: what a chapter that was. Then there was Bertie Auld and losing training games to traffic cones and then Chic Charnley and samurai swords and John Lambie and then John Lambie and John Lambie again. Lots of chapters, every one of them special, even the one with Dick Campbell in charge and an equaliser scored with 10 seconds to play, in off a defender's arse. All of them special. And all of them ran their course and we moved on. Archibald isn't coming back, Doolan isn't coming back, Erskine isn't coming back, neither are Lambie or Charnley or McParland. I understand why people talk about 'the soul being ripped out of the club', I really do, but I don't agree. Thistle isn't about Kris Doolan or Alan Archibald or anyone who was involved in that chapter of the club's story - it's bigger than that. So what's the next chapter going to be? Gary Caldwell's Red'n'Yella army and promotion and a cup win? New manager [insert name here] rescues Jag's season? International consortium make Thistle Scotland's third force? Fans buy-out ensures future of a special club? Whatever. What's past is past. Time to look to the future.
  25. 8 points
    I think that you are conflating fan ownership (as shareholders) with an inexperienced committee of fans running the club (as directors). The executive function should always be performed by people with the relevant skills and experience. These are the people who will have the day to day responsibility for running the club. It is not essential that they support the club, provided they can discharge their executive function in a manner which promotes the success of the club. All that fan ownership will do is to give supporters the ultimate say in the big strategic decisions - for example a sale / appointment of the board etc. The board would still be responsible for, eg managerial appointments, but the shareholders periodically have the opportunity to hold the board to account. Have a look at company law for a better understanding of shareholder rights. If you were to construct a logical argument against fan ownership, it would probably be around the turning off of the philanthropic tap of wealthy individuals who don’t really have an affinity with the club, but view it as a vanity project - for example Mike Ashley at Newcastle. You might view that as a good thing, or you might think that it’s something which might limit the club’s ability to push ahead, but it does result in greater responsibility for the success of the club being placed with the supporters. If funds need to be raised, it would be down to us, but if we own it, then that’s only fair. I do think that you’re doing the concept a disservice, however, if you just take the view that fans can’t agree on the simplest things on an Internet forum, so can’t possibly run a football club. The concept doesn’t call for them to run the football club in the first place.
  26. 8 points
    We've now got back to the point in the circle where the experts in finance, business and football matters are putting forward their diametrically opposed points on the merits/demerits of the consortium. But no-one, so far has actually put forward any thoughts on how the consortium could take forward our club to make it viable for the future. It's one thing saying they did it with Barnsley and Nice. Barnsley is a club in a league awash with money and Nice, I take it, are in a similar position. We are a club struggling to retain our place in the second tier of a league where the vast majority of cash is directed towards two clubs. Both of whom reside in the same city as us and no matter how much we dream we will never overtake either of them in terms of supporter numbers, on-field success or financial strength. Any investors coming in to this club will need to invest millions to artificially take us to a position where we win the league and a cup or two, get in to Europe for an extended run and then get out quick because we know what will happen after that. Either that or they have to be willing to commit for many years without the hope of any large return. What I have not read much of on this thread, is sensible and practical ideas on where our club should go. In our pre-promotion year there were plans put into place to make the Firhill experience much more fan friendly. Fans were asked for ideas, volunteers were used to enhance the enjoyment of a day at Firhill and efforts were made to try to encourage a family friendly atmosphere around Thistle. I may be remembering wrongly but all that seemed to go when we were promoted, as though we were too "professional" for all that. We were in the "big" league and had to play the game their way. Instead of consolidating on our success, we let ourselves go backwards and inevitably maybe got to today's position. Maybe if Colin Weir's idea of giving the fans some involvement in the form of shares was the way to go if the board had not stifled any chance of some fan influence. I am worried that at the end of all this we will either not have a club to support or if there is a PTFC it will be nothing like the club we follow and love. There has to be a third way. One where fans are involved in the club and the club is interested in the fans. Surely all the brains on here could get together and work for our club and not just to get petty points over on the other side. We should all be on the same side. So instead of using your knowlege of what's going on behind the scenes to try to appear more ITK than anyone else, why not explain how this consortium will be good for the long term future of Partick Thistle. Give us somthing more than blind acceptance that you are right. And those opposed, what is your plan to take us out of the mire we have found ourselves in?
  27. 8 points
    After watching footage of the hooligan behaviour of the away fans at Rugby park yesterday. Destroying the roof of the disabled shelter and injuring a fan, I feel our board should be praised for the disabled viewing platform at Firhill. The platform is at the back of the JHS, it gives an excellent view of the pitch and gives the fans using it very good protection in bad weather. Also there could be no repeat of the scenes at Rugby park. I know we have some reasons to question the board, but on this occasion they should be praised. Below is a picture of the platform and the view from the platform.
  28. 8 points
    We took Doolans boots up to Roberts grave on Friday. Today would have been Roberts 34th birthday. Below is pictures of the boots at Roberts grave. Once again thank you to everyone on the forum who agreed that it was ok to do this.
  29. 8 points
    Some more stuff recovered and digitised from the 8 mm silent movies I took in the early 70s can be viewed here It carries the usual caveat about quality (or lack thereof) but shows clips from: · A pre-season friendly @ Preston North-End (and the player I omitted to list, coming off between Ronnie Glavin and Denis McQuade, was Bobby Gray the Younger) · The raising of the Second Division Championship flag (and this is seriously lousy footage) · Matches at Rugby Park, Fir Park, Somerset Park, Tynecastle & Muirton Park. Anyone interested enough to share, please go ahead and do so, and if anyone has an update/correction of any info I’ve included, please get in touch and I’ll re-edit. CCJag
  30. 8 points
    Anyone who uses the term "snowflake" to describe other people is a complete and utter tosser.
  31. 8 points
    Thank you DD. The fundraising has been been a great success over the last four years. Curated not just by myself but also by @elevenone In that time you, the forum members, have contributed over £19,700 to the club. That's something we can all be proud of. Personally I am most proud of knowing that wherever he goes Kris Doolan, a living legend, will carry with him a trophy bearing our name. It's time to look forward. I will not be doing the fundraising next season. I hope somebody will take it on. I set the bar quite low last season so a good target to aim for . I am happy to offer any advice or help and, of course, will contribute. If anyone wants to talk about it, please PM me.
  32. 8 points
    Honestly some people on this forum need to get a grip. We slated the club for not making difficult decisions in the past and for me this makes total sense. Also did anyone think that it might be Doolan himself who made this decision. finance will be tight and it’s time this squad has a complete overhaul. We have zero room for sentiment.
  33. 8 points
    It was our own board that appointed Caldwell, not the SFA.
  34. 7 points
    Apologies for selective quoting, I could have picked any number of posts, but these three recent ones encapsulate a question I'd like to raise. I keep reading on here that these foreign venture capitalists will have the wherewithall and deep enough pockets to invest in PTFC. However, and I admit I haven't been researching 24/7 on it, but can anyone point me to cold hard factual evidence of what they invested into Nice and Barnsley, and more pertinently at what specific risk to them (the venture capitalists)? From what I have read (and I may be wrong, hence asking the question), they bought both Nice and Barnsley and whatever money they "put into" these clubs, was simply added to the clubs balance sheet as debt to be paid back to them, while they also reaped sizeable fees for their involvement. As far as I can see, they didn't fund the likes of player signings from their own pockets, it was raised against the clubs, the purchase of the clubs was covered by mortgaging the clubs assets - and while they sold Nice for a tidy profit, that appears to be off the back of a good couple of seasons by the teams performance, and with Barnsley they also seem to have sold their best players in the summer. PTFC, as much as I'd like them to be, is no Nice, nor is it even a Barnsley, in terms of what they can generate from TV deals, attendances, sponsorship, prize money etc either. As far as I can see from all the speculation and (the limited amount of) whats been said in the media (as we have heard nothing official in terms of a press release or a public engagement with the fans), they plan to use PTFC as a feeder club, and their ownership of PTFC would follow the same model as Barnsley and Nice. So, it appears, if the venture capitalists "bought" PTFC and "invested" in it, all these financial transactions would be put onto the club, so PTFC basically "pays for the privilege" of them being owners, and the club goes into debt, while they also take a sizeable chunk from the club for their time. So, in essence it currently appears to me, the venture capitalists cannot lose out financially - best case scenario they improve us and sell us in a few year for a tidy profit (and would the new new owners then do the same, and put their investment/purchase on to the club, so even greater debt?) - worst case scenario, they don't lose any money, and still make a tidy sum for their time owning us by taking money out the club for their fees, and get their original purchase amount, and any money they "put into the club", back in full, as it's been put onto the club as debt in order to pay them back their purchase outlay. So no risk of financial loss to them either way - but if it doesn't work where PTFC end up being "worth more" than before they came in, they can walk away and leave the club saddled with whatever debt that may be. Am I wrong? As I said at outset, if anyone can disprove how things look to how they bought and invested in Barnsley and Nice, and the above scenario I foresee for PTFC if the venture capitalists do end up owning the club (or company if anyone wants to be pedantic), and point me to hard evidence that this is not their model and way of doing things, I would be much obliged.
  35. 7 points
    Had to laugh yesterday during the game. Caldwell was playing down the right wing for a spell when I overheard a Jags fan yell out "Christ, Gary, you're even playing yourself out of position!!!"
  36. 7 points
    "We are not a huge club who are going through a short off-form spell. We are a mid-table Championship club who had a brief period at a higher level but couldn't sustain it." Sorry, don't agree. Maybe it's an age thing, but in my opinion Thistle are a mid-table PREMIERSHIP club who have struggled often in the wilderness since the original introduction of the Premier League. Once upon a time (sorry, children) we had the same capacity of fan base as Motherwell, St. Johnstone, Kilmarnock and the Dundee clubs. (To be fair, so did Falkirk, Dunfermline, even Clyde.) What's made the past two seasons such a kick in the guts is that we, briefly, looked like we could restore our position in Scottish football. Instead, we're toiling in the second top league. Again. I don't see anything that St. Johnstone or Motherwell or Kilmarnock are doing that's beyond Thistle. We should be aiming to be a top league team who can get to cup finals and win Old Firm games on a good day. I genuinely don't see that as an unreasonable aspiration and I don't think we need rich benefactor to do it. After all, we got into the top six without Colin Weir financing the club. And if a consortium coming in to buy us is a fantasy, we're all due a Bobby Ewing moment when we step out of the shower tomorrow and realise that the past six weeks didn't happen. Wouldn't that be nice?!
  37. 7 points
    Interesting that that actions of Beattie in championing a takeover in which he gets his money back is considered more virtuous by some than a man ‘who picked six numbers’ gifting a load of money to the club and a wedge of shares to the fans with no expectation of getting anything back.
  38. 7 points
    To sum up 90 pages nobody has a scooby but everyone has an opinion
  39. 7 points
    The Jags Trust/Partick Thistle Supporters Association was set-up for the express purpose of holding a significant shareholding after Save the Jags. The purpose was to disperse shareholder influence and to give the fans a vehicle through which to have a say in how the club was run. It used to elect a board representative who would then be appointed to the Club’s Board and the idea was that they would then be the go-between for the fans and the Club itself. It always had a bit of a reputation for being a bit cliquey: the North West bus was widely known to run a bit of a “slate” and most years it returned the same group of people to key positions like Club Board Rep, Treasurer, Secretary etc. The Club’s (then) major shareholders and directors got a bit pissy about the Jags Trust because it was (seen not to be) mobilising revenue streams to the club’s direct benefit. That Trust had been running a quite effective new fundraising campaign but wanted to use the money generated from it to buy more shares in the club on an incremental basis. There was a big fight about whether to merge its fundraiser with the club’s new Centenary Fund, which eventually happened but led to the resignation of several very active Trust board members in what must have been about 2009? To this day I still don’t know whether the Jags Trust has received more shares to reflect the legacy contributions of 1876 Club members in the Centenary Fund. In about 2010 and after a Trust Board Rep stepped down, a new one was elected and the Club then refused to let the new rep join the Board. After some attempts to mediate the disagreement (the precise reasons were never set out in black and white by the club) a few further Trust board members lost patience with the whole thing. It then continued to operate as a bit of a moribund organisation with some minor and mostly inconsequential fundraising attempts, an abomination of a website, and no influence over anything. Until their slightly rambly Google document earlier last week I couldn’t have told you what they’d done in the last 7 or so years. The PTFC Trust is a completely different organisation that was set up around the time that the Weirs started ploughing money into the Club to help it clear its bank debts. The idea was, in theory, to give a new vehicle for fan engagement and influence (it was also given a non trivial shareholding). However there was the perception at the time that it was chosen as a vehicle in part further to marginalise the existing Jags Trust, and its constitutional arrangements (though I’ve not examined them closely) appeared at one stage at least to give rather more influence to the Club than to the fans. It has never had a direct board rep on the Club board, I think even had de facto Club reps on its own (though I may be wrong about that) and asides organising a couple of meet the manager nights hasn’t been what you would call particularly “visible”. However having moved away from Glasgow about two years ago I may be slightly unfair on them as they may well be active and visible at games now in ways they weren’t when I left. I’m not convinced that either body gives the fan a say, or that if they worked together or merged they would have a say anyway. There was perhaps once a window for a functioning and effective and autonomous fans Trust but the boat was missed as soon as the JagsTrust had its deal about having a Board Member welched on.
  40. 7 points
    I think we over-analyse a lot these days.
  41. 7 points
    All pledges have now been paid. Thank you all for your prompt attention. I paid £849 into the club's account yesterday. The total raised in this season's PAWS is £1493. I received the following email from Gerry Britton this morning. Phil Many thanks for your contribution which is a great boost to the Club's coffers and very much appreciated. Everyone at the Club's is very much aware of the importance of our supporters and this gesture is testimony to the vital role that they continue to play in our Club's existence. I appreciate that the past season has been a challenge for all our support, but with their backing we were able to rally and get to a 6th place finish that had looked beyond our capability at some stages of the campaign. The one constant throughout that campaign was our fans and I am delighted we were all able to end the season on a high, with that unforgettable day out at Dumfries. Please pass on the thanks of everyone connected with our Club to your forum users Phil. I appreciate that the sentiments on the various forums may differ at times, but what brings us all together is the love of our magnificent Club and the undying passion to see us back in the upper echelons of the game before too long. Once again Phil, many thanks for your continued support and if I can ever be of assistance please don't hesitate to contact me. Regards Gerry Thanks again to all who contributed.
  42. 7 points
    He gets a lot of mud slung at him on this forum, and regular accusations of arrogance, but for a young guy trying to make a career in an absolutely brutal and unforgiving industry, I for one am impressed at his openness and courage in putting himself out there. I think you have to respect that. I do anyway.
  43. 6 points
    Posts like this justify ignoring any point of view you advocate. Can you not just say you disagree with a viewpoint, rather than make petty slights? For the record I'm undecided on the TFE case as I agree more information still required. Until such times as the consortium ( if it still exists ) provides a modicum of information, very few will back it. Yes I accept the fans have little to no power, but transparent communications surely must play a part. My apologies in advance for having a balanced view.
  44. 6 points
    We've heard more from this group in just 24 hours than we’ve heard from the consortium. They’ve laid out their approach. They’ve been open to questions via social media, providing answers quickly and openly. They’ve made themselves available to the media and have accepted challenge. As a fan I value that more than a mystery consortium and a group of shareholders who are party to key detail but won’t engage with us in any way.
  45. 6 points
    There was mention of a top European coach
  46. 6 points
    Hopefully a pub where they don’t let many in.
  47. 6 points
    It's curious (and rather tiring) how often Archie's mistakes get used to justify GC's decisions. AA got us promoted and into the top 6 - the best times I have had as Jag fan out with the Lambie years. There's no way on earth our current manager will achieve anything near this, I just don't see it. Ask for signing Kenny Miller, I don't know any Thistle fan who would have willingly replaced Doolan for Kenny Miller. I've read all the views of those supportive of GC and their justifications for him binning Doolan, but no, not for me thanks. I believe a lot of ill feeling still resonates amongst fans about this. When the next manager arrives it would be a master stroke for them to resign Doolan, especially if he does well at Ayr this season.
  48. 6 points
    Some Jags fans seriously need to calm down and look at the decision rationally. The guy was going to turn 34 this season, and clearly wasn't going to be getting regular first team football. I'd be pretty shocked if he wasn't offered a new deal, but Doolan not being content to warm the bench, and being all too aware that he only has one or two years left decided to seek first team football elsewhere. I don't see how that is Caldwell's fault. Doolan is a Jags legend, and always will be. But he is not a medium or long term solution to the current problems, and a fresh start is what is needed. I think this season showed that, despite dropping a division, Doolan's sharpness had declined slightly, and McDonald proved to be a far better option. That coupled with Doolan's high wages would not have made it a prudent move to keep him as second or third fiddle next season, when he could have been off getting first team football. I hope that for his sake that Ayr United fail to get promotion, and he can join back up with Ian McCall next season who will be looking for at least two new strikers. That would seem a fitting and almost poetic conclusion to one of the greatest players to grace the Firhill turf. But from the fans point of view, all this "f..k Caldwell" "I'm not renewing my season ticket..." blah blah blah nonsense has to stop. As I said, for all we know, Doolan was offered a new deal and maybe even an Academy coaching role, but wanted to seek first team games before the end of his career (Mark Roberts anyone?). The last two years collectively have been an absolute nightmare. So sentimentality needs to be discarded, and a fresh start needed. I'm really saddened to hear Doolan is gone, but since he, McDonald, and Storey have also left, we will be rebuilding a brand new attacking line next year. And who knows, maybe Caldwell will pull a masterstroke and unearth another gem who in a decades time we will be having the exact same conversation about as we are now. So pull it together. Doolan will get a fitting testimonial, and has been enshrined as a Thistle legend for as long as the club will exist. But football isn't stagnant, and change is needed.
  49. 6 points
    There really is some bitchfest going on over this, but I for one will be going to Dumfries on Saturday to watch Partick Thistle play a game of football. Now I will be hoping we get a result that keeps us from entering the playoffs, and if this means needing Ayr to do us a favour I'll take it. I don't care who comes out that tunnel wearing a Thistle strip, I'll be right behind them the whole game. Even if their heads go down mine won't, because at the end of all this some of them can just walk away, join another club and kiss another badge. But I will still support Partick Thistle. I can't do the walking away part, cos this is my team and I think all of us should just think about it a little before posting some of this crap. Get to Palmerston and support the team . That's what being a fan is about, not fighting between ourselves. Difference of opinion is one thing but some of the posts on here are poison.
  50. 6 points
    Despite all the calls for his immediate execution, the jury's still out on Caldwell. He was an ambitious appointment - much more so than McCall or Goodwin would have been. This is a guy who wants to manage in the English Premier, absolutely no doubt about that. Whether he's got the ability is very much still open to question. He's made the kind of mistakes most young managers make - he's got some things wrong, but he's got some right as well. If he's sacked tomorrow night, I won't shed any tears for his departure: if he's still manager for next season, I'll wait with interest to see who he brings in and how we progress. But what really rips my knitting are the posters on here who blame every negative thing relating to Thistle on his appointment. It's a witch hunt, plain and simple - let's throw him in the canal, if he drowns, he was a bad manager, if he swims to the bank, we'll stone him to death for being a bad manager. And as for claiming Alan Archibald as some wronged idol we should all regret having left us, does no one remember the team he put out on the opening game of the season when we couldn't even fill the subs bench? He said he would rebuild the team after relegation and he totally, TOTALLY, failed to do that. There's an unpleasant wee vindictive bubble on this forum relating to Caldwell: not everyone shares the view.
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