ClydebankJag

It’s clear that CW wanted any money he gave to go to PTFC and not into the pockets of shareholders. He donated money to the youth setup with no expectation of us paying him back. He bought shares in the club and gifted them to the fans, the money from his shares clearing the debt. He put in place plans for a training ground, with a significant planned cash outlay. What he didn’t do is what Beattie and co want from the consortium, he didn’t give them cash and allow them to walk away from the club. So the benefactor gave without expectation whilst the investors had an eye on their profit/loss.

The Jags Trust point is an interesting one when you consider that the people they aligned with had consistently refused to engage with them or honour their place on the board at the time they were in charge.

Sorry but you clearly don’t understand the concept of forecasting budgets based on variable income. A budget based on an average crowd of 2500 will look quite different from one based on an average crowd of 3500. Both budgets will balance but the respective parties will likely disagree on whether there is a potential deficit/underspend. This isn’t an exact science so personal interpretation comes into play.

Projected crowds and associated matchday income makes up the biggest part of the budget so even if both project early cup exits their budgets could be very different.

This is all smoke and mirrors. A budget is set in relation to forecast of income. It’s very easy for two very different budgets both to be projected to be balanced at the year end so the suggestion by the new board that the old board were playing fast and loose with the money is spurious. What we have now is a conservative board that won’t spend any cash not guaranteed to come into the club. That could mean forecasting for first round cup exits, low crowds, minimal hospitality and sponsor income etc. Restricting player purchases will likely lead to a poorer season so their self fulfilling prophecy will probably come true.

You don’t know that, you’re simply interpreting what was said to suit your preferred stance.

Wanna buy a timeshare? What about London Bridge?

So the manager was given the expectation by the board that he could spend Y amount on players but when the board changed he was told he could spend X amount instead, having already committed all of X on his recruitment to date. X = current squad (incomplete in managers eyes) Y = X plus 4 more players (what the manager had been planning for) Is that correct?

The ‘penalty’ wasn’t anywhere near to a penalty.

You’re leading the charge.

As long as they sell us onto Jags fans with a strong business pedigree eh?

Interesting that that actions of Beattie in championing a takeover in which he gets his money back is considered more virtuous by some than a man ‘who picked six numbers’ gifting a load of money to the club and a wedge of shares to the fans with no expectation of getting anything back.

And some people will lap up anything without applying any critical assessment to the merit of the change. Most of us though sit in the middle and would like some information about the intent of the investors and the short/medium/long term future of the club we have supported for a lifetime.

It is. It is also in his interests to at least recoup his money. At both other clubs he has taken out a loan to the value of his investment and that money has left the club. Effectively the club pays the debt he incurred buying them. If he sees opportunity to make more money he may continue to invest his own cash, if not the club will need to be self financing and will need to generate extra money to pay the loan. For evidence of how a club can stagnate when the owner loses interest watch the Sunderland documentary on Netflix or read up on the recent history of Blackpool FC. For evidence of how this can destroy a team look at how easily the Steadmans separated Clydebank from their ground and took all the cash. This takeover brings opportunity, it also brings a level of risk that wasn’t there with Colin Weir as our main investor.

The benefit for us this time is that as an unseeded team we can still get a good home tie. I felt cheated a few years ago when as a seeded team we got Dundee Utd away and some second placed teams got better draws. In reality I think all seeds should benefit from a home tie.

Haha

Not advocating for any of them to return to Firhill. Press reports yesterday linked 3 ex-Jags with moves down south; Callum Booth to Bury Ryan Edwards to Burton James Craigan to AFC Fylde

When we play Airdrie we’re all in the one stand so unlikely to be different against QP.

Signed for QOS.

We slaughtered St Mirren live on tv the season we got relegated. did we not win in Inverness live on TV ( the famous disallowed goal from the taken/not taken corner)

We’re supporters, not connoisseurs. If we need to be persuaded to give our support then Thistle is hardly where we would give it, the quality will always be poor when compared to other teams around the country and the world. Things have been a lot worse than the current team, board etc and whilst we will always bump our gums about how things could be better I personally see no reason to make demands versus turning up to support our club. Each to their own in terms of the choices they make but slagging off a fellow fan for buying a season ticket is poor form.

It does indeed. Good signing to strengthen options across the squad. Most fans would be happy with either Fox or Sneddon in goals, so you can’t ask for any more than that. Now for that striker.

Bullshit. This is what I said. His stats show that he didn’t play 90mins week in and out last season. He only played more than 80 minutes on 13 occasions out of 35 league games (even when he was picking himself at Livi). We need a second credible striker, particularly if we’re going to be fair to KM and acknowledge his limitations. That second striker can’t be Mansell or an English non league youngster that is still developing IMO.

It’s a lovely spin on his stats you’ve put there. Here’s my spin on the same stats. Post winter break he played more than 70mins in the league just twice (full game v hearts and 71 mins v Celtic). That suggests that when his manager had a reasonable option from the bench he didn’t force KM to play 90mins week in and out, and most weeks post transfer window he used KM from the bench. He scored just one goal in those 17 matches. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kenny-miller/leistungsdaten/spieler/4750 Irrespective of his fitness we need a credible second striker. I am sure GC knows this.

I’ve obviously not been clear. Every year for far too long we’ve signed forwards with ‘potential’ and spent the following months living in hope that they’d find their way to goal. The other forwards we signed like Sammon and Storey weren’t known as prolific goal scorers either, so again we were left hoping against hope. Gary did the same when signing Mansell and Roy, and neither proved to be a natural goalscorer. McDonald came along and showed us the difference having a real striker can bring to your team. He has signed Miller but given his age we can’t rely on him for 90mins a game for the whole season, and he deserves a strike partner that knows where the net is. To my mind Mansell is still a gamble so if we are signing a third striker I don’t personally get excited by it being someone from the English non league. If he wants to gamble with either of them then I really hope there is someone additionally coming in as second striker.