sabbath Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Always one for a song join in singing I'M not british I'm a JAG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydebankJag Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 I spent most of the first half chatting to my mate about the referendum. We are on different sides of the fence so it went back and forward a fair bit. Some people sitting near us may have overheard our discussion. Is this acceptable to the complainers? If not can we have an approved list of topics issued in advance of Friday night please, I wouldn't want to upset anyone (again). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Devil's Point Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 I spent most of the first half chatting to my mate about the referendum. We are on different sides of the fence so it went back and forward a fair bit. Some people sitting near us may have overheard our discussion. Is this acceptable to the complainers? If not can we have an approved list of topics issued in advance of Friday night please, I wouldn't want to upset anyone (again). Friday might be quite bizarre actually as about half the crowd are likely to feel on an up and half on a down (same for both sets of support obviously). Its hard to imagine it won't be a distraction, particularly given a lot of folk will have missed a nights sleep watching the results. I predict a 0 0 with half the crowd failing to stay awake any longer past about the hour mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Ironically this political debate is actually quite relevant to football. At least on an international scale, as FIFA are currently looking at pushing for a British International team, should the vote be No. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Doesn't matter if it's politics about scottish independence or Irish independence, it should not be brought into football grounds. Small question, what do you think would happen if a few jag fans bring union jacks into fairhill on Friday night, if it's a no vote. There will be punches flying. Which is wrong, some of our fans don't mind saltires with yes on them, but would have a shit fit if union jacks with no on them were to be taken in. So keep it all away from Firhill. Agree with this, the kick up on here over a red and yellow union flag the other season tells it all, yet folk feel Saltires (not in our colors) and with no PTFC message on them are ok, double standards 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 "Academics For Yes". How cliched for Thistle! I was not a fan & include that if it was Better Together as I confess I'm voting No. Buchanan St was a zoo with Yes and No people and I wanted to go to the football to have couple hours of normality. The debate is now down to shouting with facts and reason drowned out. Journalists welcome this political engagement but I find the whole thing lacking in reasoned debate and political discourse. Bored to tears of it all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meister Jag Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 There were quite a few thistle fans and others outside the ground before the game with a stall, banners etc etc nothing wrong with that in my opinion Agree with the above. In fairness, no one was thrusting anything in anyone's face; so all you had to do was walk on by. It wasn't as if it was Britain First try to peddle their racist crap. Next we'll be complaining about the classical violinists outside the ground. Two spotted playing away on my way down to the S&G. Bad for our trendy west end image, I thought we all liked jazz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meister Jag Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Agree with this, the kick up on here over a red and yellow union flag the other season tells it all, yet folk feel Saltires (not in our colors) and with no PTFC message on them are ok, double standards Quite liked that flag, still do... maybe it was something to do with the colours. But good point well made. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopeless Unbeliever Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 "Academics For Yes". How cliched for Thistle! I was not a fan & include that if it was Better Together as I confess I'm voting No. Buchanan St was a zoo with Yes and No people and I wanted to go to the football to have couple hours of normality. The debate is now down to shouting with facts and reason drowned out. Journalists welcome this political engagement but I find the whole thing lacking in reasoned debate and political discourse. Bored to tears of it all. How are you managing to vote No based in London? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillresigned Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 People are political beings whether they are aware of it or not. What we express and how we express it have and always will be shaped by society around us and politics is an integral part of that. Firhill is not a bubble from the real world, no matter how much some people would like it to be. Agree wholeheartedly, its a totally false dichotomy to compare the mass interest in politics that is happening right now in Scotland with say the knuckle dragging bigots who paraded around Auld Reekie yesterday. In addition, I doubt anyone at all is suggesting in the here and now, that a football team in Scotland should be wholly identified with one particular religious or political agenda, I certainly wouldn't. The bigotry we all know and hate is of a fundamentally different nature and we all know that only too well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 This referendum is the biggest thing to hit Scotland possibly in hundreds of years....it's a big deal....people will talk about it and demonstrate their feelings, no question, and it is right that we do so. A small stall giving out Yes nick-nacks - saw a few No badges in the ground too - stall was in the street and not on the concourse so don't have a problem with it and as AJ noted, the level of engagement with this referendum is probably at its highest since the despised imposition of the poll tax ... as it was a public event at the weekend I fully expected a presence from both camps outside the ground. If you didn't want a Yes badge then you could politely say no and walk past - but for someone on this forum to draw a parallel to a wee peaceful stall with the political links to the filth and the OO parading their bile in Edinburgh is beyond the pale. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaggyMad Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Is it really? As I said earlier anyone with a Union Jack in Firhill on Friday night will not be made welcome by the majority. Why? But anyone with a saltire will be welcomed with open arms by the majority. Bigots exist in our support, doesnt matter if it's about Ireland or Scotland, a bigot is a bigot. I will there on Friday night and I will accept what ever way our referendum turns out. If we have independence then all the saltires that are at the game are more than welcome and if we still part of the United Kingdom, then all union jacks that are there are welcome, but this will not happen, nobody would feel safe taking a Union Jack flag. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 , nobody would feel safe taking a Union Jack flag. Why? I can only suggest the taint the Union Jack has from being associated with the mob south of the river. Bit like going into the JH with a loud mouth and a St Mirren scarf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 a bigot is a bigot. Well yes, you're right. But that's like saying a snob is a snob or a hypocrite is a hypocrite. I would suggest that on the strictest understanding of the word each and everyone of us in some minuscule way is a bigot. As always in these matters it's about scale. What by common standards is considered unacceptable and/or reprehensible is what really matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDFA Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 I thought it was utterly abysmal that Yes types hijacked our colours today and stood about (inside and outside the ground) with Red and Yellow placards with 'Yes' written across them. Those responsible should be completely ashamed. If you are incapable of keeping your bitter, and foolish, views away from Firhill, at least don't you dare put my clubs colours against them. You are a disgrace and I hope you get tanked on Friday morning. None of you would ever be welcome back at Firhill if it was up to me. Oh dear, will there be tears......... I'm assuming this post is an elaborate joke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Devil's Point Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 I'm assuming this post is an elaborate joke? Yeah sorry. I tried to make it a one liner but it was too complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milhouse Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 No thanks. I'm as hard line Yes as they come, but I agree with this. Politics at football is an age-old Old Firm excuse All welcome at Firhill regardless of views on referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Devil's Point Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 All welcome at Firhill regardless of views on referendum. Yes, I suppose my complaints about yesterday were really only a yellow card offence in the cold light of day. At least it will be over soon. If we go ten points clear of St Mirren on Friday (with County having to go to Pittodrie on the Saturday) then all will be well again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Good spot. Been back in Glasgow 2+ years just never changed location on board id Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Is it really? As I said earlier anyone with a Union Jack in Firhill on Friday night will not be made welcome by the majority. Why? But anyone with a saltire will be welcomed with open arms by the majority. Bigots exist in our support, doesnt matter if it's about Ireland or Scotland, a bigot is a bigot. I will there on Friday night and I will accept what ever way our referendum turns out. If we have independence then all the saltires that are at the game are more than welcome and if we still part of the United Kingdom, then all union jacks that are there are welcome, but this will not happen, nobody would feel safe taking a Union Jack flag. Why? Certainly nothing to do with politics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaggyMad Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) Certainly nothing to do with politics Why not, I'm a practising catholic, that supports partick thistle and I'll be voting NO. So if I take a Union Jack with no on it, will i be welcome? Edited September 14, 2014 by JaggyMad 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel J. Botch Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 No politics at football - I may be wrong, but I think there is at least 1 advertising hoarding around the ground from a political party. Should the club remove this immediately and return the fee for advertising? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 No politics at football - I may be wrong, but I think there is at least 1 advertising hoarding around the ground from a political party. Should the club remove this immediately and return the fee for advertising? When up at Pittodrie I noticed a Halliburton advertising hoarding. On the face of it why not? The conglomerate are also a local employer promoting itself at a local sports club. I'm wondering if Aberdeen FC had refused to accept advertising from that company if their fans would be ripping them apart or praising them for making a stance. Either way that would be a case of bringing politics into sport. Halliburton may not be the greatest example tho' personally I would be uneasy about them advertising at Firhill. The point being that there has to be a line drawn somewhere re what is and what is not acceptable and that's often going to be political. Just saying politics and sport don't mix is all very well. Openly accepting that they will occasionally overlap and doing your best to minimalise both the size of the overlap and the number of occasions is the best route to take. Anyway regardless how you feel about yesterday it's been and gone. It's not some on going regular problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuthejag Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 What about shouting "Scab, Scab" at John Martin ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Why not, I'm a practising catholic, that supports partick thistle and I'll be voting NO. So if I take a Union Jack with no on it, will i be welcome? Unfortunately, the symbolism of taking a Union Jack to a domestic football match in Scotland has nothing to do with politics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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