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I care about issues but don't care for politicians. There are plenty of ways of "taking responsibility" without having to vote for parties or candidates whose policies you disagree with. The great majority of Parliamentary constituencies are safe Tory or Labour seats anyway. Most voters are tribal, not rational or principled. I prefer to campaign for change via charities or pressure groups.

 

I ran for the Lib Dems in Partick West in the council elections a couple of years ago. I can assure you I told no lies.

 

I got beat, but any Lib Dem would of got beat.

 

Not by much though.

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Well glad we never decided to use the oil to fully fund our economy seeing as it's dropped over 40% since the referendum

 

Couldn't agree with you more, but there has been a change of mindset.

 

You can feel it on Dumbarton Road and the world has gone upside down.

 

It is perhaps now more important, to defend our values against the facists of UKIP.

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Couldn't agree with you more, but there has been a change of mindset.

 

You can feel it on Dumbarton Road and the world has gone upside down.

 

It is perhaps now more important, to defend our values against the facists of UKIP.

 

what bollocks people feel that UNCONTROLLED immigration is bad and that ukip are the only one listening, this is true, ukip have never said that they want to stop all immigration.

 

please explain why they are fascists please.

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what bollocks people feel that UNCONTROLLED immigration is bad and that ukip are the only one listening, this is true, ukip have never said that they want to stop all immigration.

 

please explain why they are fascists please.

 

Because when you say you are right, and you are so sure, then that is facism if you smash up other peoples ideals.

 

Liberalism stands for debate. UKIP and the SNP think they have the truth.

 

They are both wrong.

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But as a No voter, I think we got beaten.

 

Perhaps it is just the weak place my head is in, but it was no victory for unionism.

 

But we are walking towards you, and there will be no civil war.

 

There must be no more bombers above Clydebank, and no more Bannockburns.

 

We stole back the stone of destiny.

 

But however it goes, Scotland must rid itself of Nationalism after this. I think we can agree on an agenda of social justice, and the reforms it will take.

 

Lets put our childish things away, Nichola is right to say there must be a new approach, and sharing together in the ideas we all have.

 

We are all Scots, lets get on with it.

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Because when you say you are right, and you are so sure, then that is facism if you smash up other peoples ideals.

 

Liberalism stands for debate. UKIP and the SNP think they have the truth.

 

They are both wrong.

 

Have worried about this comment all day.

 

Can I clarify that I did not mean to imply that Jaggbunnet is in any way a facist, or believer in facism.. Far from it, I think he (or I suppose she!), has put forward plenty of positive and interesting ideas over the years.

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Because when you say you are right, and you are so sure, then that is facism if you smash up other peoples ideals.

 

Liberalism stands for debate. UKIP and the SNP think they have the truth.

 

They are both wrong.

 

Liberalism should stand for freedom, i.e. the original, now termed "classical", liberalism of Gladstone, Cobden and Bright.

 

Your first point on ideals could apply to most ideologies, including those on the far left e.g. Communist and Nazism (national socialist). It could also apply to liberal ideologues too, e.g. the followers of Rousseau, John Locke, Thomas Paine, and John Stuart Mill.

 

The guillotine is the true symbol of the Enlightenment. Thousands more died on Hitler's guillotines than those of the French Revolution's Terror.

 

The SNP and UKIP have nationalist ideologies. The liberal and socialist ideologies are equally dangerous as the body count shows. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot murdered tens of millions more than the Nazis and fascist dictators.

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The SNP and UKIP have nationalist ideologies. The liberal and socialist ideologies are equally dangerous as the body count shows. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot murdered tens of millions more than the Nazis and fascist dictators.

 

The unionist parties also have nationalist ideologies, but as they are British nationalists does that make them OK in your eyes? Oh, and don't forget that the unionist nationalists have declared wars in recent times for no great reason, have murdered countless thousands, and have caused the deaths of many British servicemen; I repeat, all for no good reason, according to many people.

 

So far as I know neither the SNP nor their supporters, nor UKIP (whom I detest), have caused any deaths anywhere, nor do they plan to. You can be sure that Westminster will take us into another war somewhere soon, probably to stay in favour with the Americans (who they rely upon for their so-called independent nuclear deterrent, and also for aircraft for their aircraft carrier that Britain is too poor to arm properly).

 

And yet many unionists think it's smart to mention Hitler, Stalin, nazis etc in the same breath as Alex Salmond or Nicola Sturgeon. Puerile.

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I see the SNP recently comfortably won local council by-elections in two areas that were reported as voting "no" in the referendum. Any thoughts? Are these victories (1) some kind of protest vote (if so, against whom)?; (2) the start of a backlash by "no" voters against the lies of the "vow?" (3) further evidence that the declared outcome of the referendum was a stitch-up, i.e. the vote was rigged?

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I see the SNP recently comfortably won local council by-elections in two areas that were reported as voting "no" in the referendum. Any thoughts? Are these victories (1) some kind of protest vote (if so, against whom)?; (2) the start of a backlash by "no" voters against the lies of the "vow?" (3) further evidence that the declared outcome of the referendum was a stitch-up, i.e. the vote was rigged?

 

All depends on the turnout, local elections generally have a low turnout and the SNP is a lot more mobilised than its competitors at the moment

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I see the SNP recently comfortably won local council by-elections in two areas that were reported as voting "no" in the referendum. Any thoughts? Are these victories (1) some kind of protest vote (if so, against whom)?; (2) the start of a backlash by "no" voters against the lies of the "vow?" (3) further evidence that the declared outcome of the referendum was a stitch-up, i.e. the vote was rigged?

 

How was the referendum vote rigged?

Do you honestly think that the returning officers and their staff were crooked?

Or are you just a bad loser who can't accept defeat?

 

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The SNP were defending the seat in Argyll (South Kintyre) and the big swing against the Tories was partly due to their candidate not being local.

In Elgin, the SNP again held seat but the independent candidate took a lot of votes from Labour.

Not a big protest vote or backlash, just two holds!

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The unionist parties also have nationalist ideologies, but as they are British nationalists does that make them OK in your eyes?

 

I have already said many times that I have no time for any of the political parties, including UKIP which is becoming more and more like the BNP. So how does that make them OK in my eyes?

 

My English relatives have been spat and abused in the streets by Nationalists, including children. They are subjected to chants and taunts such as "English go home".

 

In Fife, one voted Yes despite being threatened at the supermarket checkout - "we know where you live". Her husband was dropped from the bowls team by an SNP selector who wrongly assumed that they were No voters. Then there was the graffiti on their wall too.

 

The Nationalists are deliberately fuelling bigotry for their own ends. It's just like the 1930s.

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How was the referendum vote rigged?

Do you honestly think that the returning officers and their staff were crooked?

Or are you just a bad loser who can't accept defeat?

 

ETA -

The SNP were defending the seat in Argyll (South Kintyre) and the big swing against the Tories was partly due to their candidate not being local.

In Elgin, the SNP again held seat but the independent candidate took a lot of votes from Labour.

Not a big protest vote or backlash, just two holds!

 

Even an amateur like me would be able to figure out how to rig the vote: getting rid of most postal votes that don't give you the result you want is an easy one. Having voting cards for addresses that are empty (e.g., second homes) and having people turn up to use those votes for another. I don't honestly think that returning officers and their staff were all crooked (though who knows, some might be); but I do honestly believe the outcome was rigged, and that the work was done before it got to the final counting stage.

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Even an amateur like me would be able to figure out how to rig the vote: getting rid of most postal votes that don't give you the result you want is an easy one. Having voting cards for addresses that are empty (e.g., second homes) and having people turn up to use those votes for another. I don't honestly think that returning officers and their staff were all crooked (though who knows, some might be); but I do honestly believe the outcome was rigged, and that the work was done before it got to the final counting stage.

 

God almighty! These just can't accept defeat. Rigged? Utter bollocks and a whingeing excuse for their failure.

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Even an amateur like me would be able to figure out how to rig the vote: getting rid of most postal votes that don't give you the result you want is an easy one. Having voting cards for addresses that are empty (e.g., second homes) and having people turn up to use those votes for another. I don't honestly think that returning officers and their staff were all crooked (though who knows, some might be); but I do honestly believe the outcome was rigged, and that the work was done before it got to the final counting stage.

 

if that post had come from anyone else i would have said they were taking the piss but from you, no.

 

first point, why couldn't it have been the yes side that cheated(but still lost), if it had been the other way i would have accepted it, No matter how much i disagreed with it.

 

if you have proof that there was cheating take it to the police otherwise give us all peace and get on with your life.

 

second point, people voted NO because the snp/yes camp failed in anyway to prove there case and refused to answer basic question on the likes of the EU and currency which were very important points. to say that it was because of the rubbish that brown and co came out with shows an almost delusional view that you were robbed.

 

and to prove they were wrong just look at the oil now which a Scotland under independence would have had to depend on massively has dropped to $62 from $113 that salmond said it would stay at, add to that the re-newable firms going bust because (and this was only news to the yes camp it seems) it is very expensive.

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Because when you say you are right, and you are so sure, then that is facism if you smash up other peoples ideals. Liberalism stands for debate. UKIP and the SNP think they have the truth. They are both wrong.

 

correct me if i am wrong but is that not what you have done by the very post i highlighted. as for debate it has been tried but anyone who dare to bring up immigration as a point is classed as a racist or a fascist which as i said is bollocks.

 

my view on the lib dems, for years they were happy to come out with policies that were in most cases unrealistic but that didn't matter because if they were being honest they never thought they would be in power so would have to justify them, then oh bugger they were in power and then realism has to come into play for those that had to make the decisions. anyone who goes into uni and come out with a good job at the end should have to pay for that education and anyone who doesn't understand the system and doesn't go to uni because of it maybe shouldn't in the first place as they obviously are not that bright. In summery lib dems ...very naive

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Even an amateur like me would be able to figure out how to rig the vote: getting rid of most postal votes that don't give you the result you want is an easy one. Having voting cards for addresses that are empty (e.g., second homes) and having people turn up to use those votes for another. I don't honestly think that returning officers and their staff were all crooked (though who knows, some might be); but I do honestly believe the outcome was rigged, and that the work was done before it got to the final counting stage.

 

So let's get this straight. Firstly, you think that at least 5% of the votes cast (those needed to affect the outcome) were fraudulent. Secondly, you believe that there was national conspiracy, in the great majority of local authorities, to rig massive numbers of postal votes. Thirdly, you believe that there was hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes cast by impersonators in polling stations.

 

Can you tell us how such a massive conspiracy could be organised and implemented without it being discovered by the thousands of people (mostly public sector employees) who were involved in the process - polling station clerks, counters and returning officers. Then explain why the Yes campaign and the SNP have not uncovered it and taken the necessary legal action. If you cannot (99.99999999% chance), you need to seek help to deal with your mental inability to accept the democratic will of the majority.

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The unionists are nationalists. British nationalists. There is still a whiff of empire about that stuff.

The SNP are nationalist in the sense of campaigning for self-determination for a country that is not yet independent. Think about that.What if you are in a nationalist movement for a country that is already independent. Now that would be dodgy.

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Even an amateur like me would be able to figure out how to rig the vote: getting rid of most postal votes that don't give you the result you want is an easy one. Having voting cards for addresses that are empty (e.g., second homes) and having people turn up to use those votes for another. I don't honestly think that returning officers and their staff were all crooked (though who knows, some might be); but I do honestly believe the outcome was rigged, and that the work was done before it got to the final counting stage.

 

So how would an amateur like you get rid of these votes, get all these people to turn up (In false glasses and false mustaches) have all these people turning up for 2nd homes AND get away with it??

 

Accept democracy and get the tin foil hat off your napper

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