yoda-jag Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 According to Sky Sports News, 5 Newcastle players hunward bound, on loan! Sashley patently doing little to persuade the SFA that he doesn't have undue influence at Security Stadium. and while everyone has been focused on the helter skelter of the transfer window, and the aftermath of their first ever game with the east end club, cashley has had the workmen in at mordor today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted February 2, 2015 Members Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Didn't think you were allowed 5 loan players in a season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Didn't think you were allowed 5 loan players in a season? I thought that as well. Very strange to get 5 players in on loan from the same club. Pretty sure that will be looked into............and ignored! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 New Sevco chant - We Arra The Geordie Peepul! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Gekantawa Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 I thought that as well. Very strange to get 5 players in on loan from the same club. Pretty sure that will be looked into............and ignored! A couple of years ago, Watford had 10 loanees from Udinese in a single season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Maybe an 'English League to (lower) Scottish League' thing? That said, I agree - seems very dubious. Apparently, they're all young players; not sure if that makes it different. Anyway, seems a bit like us lending Clyde or Lossiemouth players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Maybe an 'English League to (lower) Scottish League' thing? That said, I agree - seems very dubious. Be some sort of scam. Probably on zero hour contracts with Sports Direct. So they're technically not going anywhere. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 A couple of years ago, Watford had 10 loanees from Udinese in a single season. You are right but IIRC the rules have been changed since that ridiculous case. Watford had to sign a few players on permanent deals or terminate their deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy davie Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 News just in..!!! Rangers sign newcastle player in a cash plus stadium deal... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Rangers fans are going to go 50 shades of purple if this is true http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31145792 It will mean the first Northern Irish catholic to play for them. They may stand by while the cash gets frittered away, but this could be the thin end of the wedge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre Pundit Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I quite like billko's posts on here and think he gets a hard time - it must be hard being brought up a Rangers fan and then, only as an adult, realising all the filth that goes along with it. Same for Celtic fans. Quick question though - I know he plays for Thistle Weir but who does your son support? That's a pretty decent measure of whether you truly reject the filth that goes along with the OF rather than just paying lip service to it. I say this as the son of a Rangers fan from a family of Celtic fans who took me to Parkhead a bit when I was younger (I'm a Catholic so it was expected) but is delighted that I chose Thistle. Indeed Firhill is the only stadium he's set foot in for the past 20 years now. On the Rangers thing, forcing the manger to play loan players is clearly unacceptable. McDowall should resign in protest. Oh, wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 How humiliating can it get for the Govan zombies; they are being dictated to to play almost half a team that have been shipped out of another club that isn't any great shakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 How humiliating can it get for the Govan zombies; they are being dictated to to play almost half a team that have been shipped out of another club that isn't any great shakes. . To be fair they wouldn't need to be any better than average to improve the current Sevco side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Dear oh dear oh dear. They seem truly and utterly fecked. Suuuuch a shame. Similar to Lindau's comment: even being forced to play total diddies would improve their team no end. They are rank rotten. Hunbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I suppose playing loan players even if they're falling short in performance is more common than you'd maybe think. The club taking the loan player may want to keep in with the source club. For that reason if you're safe mid table the temptation will be to play him. Fairly certain on occasion we'll have done just that. But to be told they must play that's not on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillresigned Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Dearie, dearie me try as the might there is absolutely no way (that I can conceive of) for the 'Laptop Loyal' to cover this as anything, but what it is i.e. a total and utter humiliation and humbling, as if Sunday's game weren't enough. Unfortunately, due to their constant antipathy to and not forgetting the complete lack of gumption and/or leadership exhibited by the SFA: no succour is likely to come from that source. All in all, that club is frankly cream crackered together with any claims for moral or legal leadership made by the official SFA, who seem to have abrogated that role to Chick Dung et al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hosie Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) Leaving aside the fact that we all enjoy a little chortle at the events down Ibrox way the SFA really need to intervene here. Ashley clearly has dual 'ownership' of both Newcastle and Rangers if not legally then certainly in actual practice. No club should be able to dictate what players another club plays. That sets a dangerous precedence on so many levels. I thought our relationship in the 80s with Chelsea and Ken Bates was dodgy but this is on a whole new level. Edited February 5, 2015 by Tom Hosie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SookeJag Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Limits on loan players do not apply when players loaned to teams in a different football association. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hosie Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) The legality of having these players on loan isn’t really the issue though. As I said previously it’s fun to have a laugh at the expense of those down at Ibrox (no crumbs falling off that master’s table any more) but the degree that one club has influence (control?) over another, right down to team selection, is potentially quite worrying. It needn’t be a similar situation to that of Rangers and Ashley either. What if Thistle established a relationship with an English Premiership side? They send us some, decent, players on loan. So far so good. The team does well, as do the players, and so the number coming up from England to Firhill on loan grows. Our English ‘partners’ then start to insist that we play these loan players no matter what. At what stage would the loss of our autonomy over team selection compromise our separate identity? At what point would we cease to be Partick Thistle and become nothing more than a Scottish branch of the EPL side? Rangers are now little more than a Glasgow branch of Newcastle United. Or perhaps more pertinently, little more than a Glasgow branch of Sports Direct. If anything remotely similar happened at Firhill or if anything like I outlined above happened, I reckon that would be it for me. Edited February 5, 2015 by Tom Hosie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 The difference is that the hypothetical English club you describe does not control the finances or management of Thistle, so the analogy is false. Ashley controls the finances and the day to day management of Sevco - he now also controls team selection. Even limited-ability-Lancaster must finally grasp that Ashley de facto control of Sevco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillresigned Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 The difference is that the hypothetical English club you describe does not control the finances or management of Thistle, so the analogy is false. Ashley controls the finances and the day to day management of Sevco - he now also controls team selection. Even limited-ability-Lancaster must finally grasp that Ashley de facto control of Sevco. Unlikely, IMHO,this would require a significantly greater level of thought, not to mention resolve than the Scottish football Authorities have shown hitherto in their dealings over the entire Sevco farago. Besides, I get the impression that Doncaster sees himself operating on behalf of those who own Scottish football clubs and certainly noat the plebs who actually pay to watch it. This is something that the Laptop Loyal and the deluded followers of Sevco, would do well to remind themselves of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillresigned Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 The legality of having these players on loan isn’t really the issue though. As I said previously it’s fun to have a laugh at the expense of those down at Ibrox (no crumbs falling off that master’s table any more) but the degree that one club has influence (control?) over another, right down to team selection, is potentially quite worrying. It needn’t be a similar situation to that of Rangers and Ashley either. What if Thistle established a relationship with an English Premiership side? They send us some, decent, players on loan. So far so good. The team does well, as do the players, and so the number coming up from England to Firhill on loan grows. Our English ‘partners’ then start to insist that we play these loan players no matter what. At what stage would the loss of our autonomy over team selection compromise our separate identity? At what point would we cease to be Partick Thistle and become nothing more than a Scottish branch of the EPL side? Rangers are now little more than a Glasgow branch of Newcastle United. Or perhaps more pertinently, little more than a Glasgow branch of Sports Direct. If anything remotely similar happened at Firhill or if anything like I outlined above happened, I reckon that would be it for me. The problem for Seco fans is that instead of actually doing anything about it they've figuratively sat about on their backsides, blaming everyone else for their troubles: whilst awaiting the arrival of a big blue knight (we'll call him for the sake of illustrative purposes) galloping along the Copeland Road on a big white horse to the rescue of 'ra peepil'. Unfortunately, as most adults will tend to agree fairy tails and business tend not to mix! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billko Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 The problem for Seco fans is that instead of actually doing anything about it they've figuratively sat about on their backsides, blaming everyone else for their troubles: whilst awaiting the arrival of a big blue knight (we'll call him for the sake of illustrative purposes) galloping along the Copeland Road on a big white horse to the rescue of 'ra peepil'. Unfortunately, as most adults will tend to agree fairy tails and business tend not to mix! You talk some amount of shite for being an adult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 You talk some amount of shite for being an adult Your blindness is utterly breathtaking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 If I was a Newcastle fan I'd be very concerned. Sevco have signed some pretty decent players in recent years, and turned them all into crap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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