Bleeding Gums Murphy Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Is it the BoD fault? They are partly to blame no doubt about it. However, I give you John Baird, Mark Kert, Henoc Mukendi & Ross Forbes. ' Then I'll add in Nathan Ecclestone, Jake Carrol To give the BoD their credit in all of that, twice they've backed him with cash in January to bring in Taylor (twice), Bauben, Erskine & others. Finances are tight, is it the BoD to blame? Is it the lack of fans backing at the gate. IMO, a combination of both. However with finances as tight as they are, we can't afford to be doing a Ro$$ Co & changing our team in January every year. That means that due diligence has to be done with the signings we do bring in. An abundance of midfielders who all do similar roles, bringing in another right back weeks after bringing in a right back & what seems to be putting all our eggs in one basket re striker (Taylor) suggests the manager hasn't done that. This along with a persistence of playing the same formation every week -with at the moment (or 8 games out of 9 think it is) - the same result. Namely Partick Thistle nil. I wonder how many folk would've been as patient with McCall or McNamara of they went through same run? The legend that is Alan Archibald clouds some fans judgement I reckon. Remember though, if he was making a great job of this & a higher club came calling, would he stay because of the fans backing? 99% certain it'd be a no. Therefore why should it be any different when he's doing a poor job. 2 games until the international break. No wins in either & I think it's time for change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 One thing that hasn't been forthcoming is what happened to the new share issue that was going to be raised, did the Weirs decline, if so are the club going to open up a share issue to existing shareholders and fans. I missed the end of year fundraiser but understand the Weirs agreed to fund the Weir Academy for a further 3 years. That at least is something if we are relegated this season. Also does anyone know what our most recently appointed director Ms Low's duties are and have we benefited from her services so far. AJ To follow up on this, nothing's been announced regarding further funding AJ. Where did you hear this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrshire jag Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Apparently it was announced at the end of season fundraiser that the Weirs attended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Both are based at: 7 Maritime Street Leith, Edinburgh, EH6 6SE It's freely available on both their websites. When I mentioned it at a game the other week, one of the lads said she is employed by them (the weir charitable trust) to look after their funds. Colour me sceptical, but I think she wants to know where their money's getting spent. Or more to the point, where it's all gone. No matter how loaded I was, If I pumped in close on a £1,000,000 with the promise of more funding as well, I would want representation on the board as well. Does anyone know how this works. Say we sell two promising youngsters for say £300,000, does the money get pumped back into Thistle Weir, does it go to the Weirs to repay them or does it go to the club to improve the team. Never really been clarified as far as I know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Personally and anecdotally I think the PR/customer relations side of the Club has improved considerably tho' there's still a few **** ups. Communication in particular appears much better. I don't have an opinion re whether the Board has backed Archie sufficiently simply because I don't know the financial situation. I'm not sure how others can have such definitive opinions either when ignorant of fact. My gut feeling is that turnover last season fell far more than anticipated and the Board have reduced the player budget on a pro rata basis. Some may see that as simply good business practice. Others will see it as impractical and too drastic. The one overriding factor (there's countless relevant threads on here alone) nobody appears to know just why home crowds dropped so sharply during a successful season. If you don't know that then it stands to reason you don't know how to rectify it. With that in mind I can see why any sensible Board would be reluctant to throw extra money the manager's way. There's no guarantee whatsoever, with our Club at least, that any additional funding can be recouped by relative success on the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowenBoys Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Fox announced that he was leaving because he wanted to win trophies and (re)kindle his international career. He went to Ross County. Higgy went to Killie weeks after condemning plastic pitches. Despite finding no club in the summer, Balatoni knocked back another chance at Thistle. The players see the club from the inside, day after day. Is it possible that it was a perceived lack of ambition at the club that drove them away rather than a few more quid or whatever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Fox announced that he was leaving because he wanted to win trophies and (re)kindle his international career. He went to Ross County. Higgy went to Killie weeks after condemning plastic pitches. Despite finding no club in the summer, Balatoni knocked back another chance at Thistle. The players see the club from the inside, day after day. Is it possible that it was a perceived lack of ambition at the club that drove them away rather than a few more quid or whatever? Very good point BB. Think Craigan was offered a new deal as well, but opted for championship level to get regular football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 (edited) You can blame the board all you want and I agree they have to shoulder some blame for where we are. However, the directors do not take training or pick the team or the formation or the tactics or the subs. Edited September 20, 2015 by Big Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 As has already been said Archie is still looking to sign more payers outside the window.Which means we still have money , why was that not used to get some of the players who turned us down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Scimmia Rossa Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 As has already been said Archie is still looking to sign more payers outside the window.Which means we still have money , why was that not used to get some of the players who turned us down? It was. They got better offers. Some waited to see what other options they had, then signed (Dumbya) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Scimmia Rossa Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 You can blame the board all you want and I agree they have to shoulder some blame for where we are. However, the directors do not take training or pick the team or the formation or the tactics or the subs. And the manager doesn't hit the bar from 3 yards out. Shall we continue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 And the manager doesn't hit the bar from 3 yards out. Shall we continue? Happy to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Scimmia Rossa Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Happy to. Ok. Who is replacing him? Danny Lennon who is struggling at Alloa? What about the up and coming Alan Johnston? Or the vastly experienced Stuart McCall? I know, we'll go for Ian McCall. No. Wait. Terry Butcher. Kenny Shiels. He won a cup you know. Stevie Lomas. Sacked from Millwall. Barry Smith. No i've got it. The next new thing Ian Murray. We really are done now. Aren't we? Before the Jimmy Calderwood klaxon goes off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Ok. Who is replacing him? Danny Lennon who is struggling at Alloa? What about the up and coming Alan Johnston? Or the vastly experienced Stuart McCall? I know, we'll go for Ian McCall. No. Wait. Terry Butcher. Kenny Shiels. He won a cup you know. Stevie Lomas. Sacked from Millwall. Barry Smith. No i've got it. The next new thing Ian Murray. We really are done now. Aren't we? Before the Jimmy Calderwood klaxon goes off. You forgot Dickie, LSR....did he not get manager of the month recently with Forfar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 I didn't think it would be long before the " who's replacing him" line would be rolled out. The last bastion of defence when the evidence against speaks volumes. So I'll respond with the standard " you don't know who will apply until there is a vacancy". And just for the record, nowhere have I said that our current manager should be sacked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Scimmia Rossa Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 I didn't think it would be long before the " who's replacing him" line would be rolled out. The last bastion of defence when the evidence against speaks volumes. So I'll respond with the standard " you don't know who will apply until there is a vacancy". And just for the record, nowhere have I said that our current manager should be sacked. Imagine asking someone to have a suggested replacement should the current manager move on. It's simple. Back the manager or don't. So where do you stand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 (edited) My gut feeling is our finances are in dire straits, selling Hendry may keep the wolves from the door for a bit but my gut says were in the crap Edited September 20, 2015 by Norgethistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Nixon Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Imagine asking someone to have a suggested replacement should the current manager move on. It's simple. Back the manager or don't. So where do you stand? What's your red line for backing the manager? At what point would you stop supporting him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Scimmia Rossa Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 What's your red line for backing the manager? At what point would you stop supporting him? If we were relegated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Nixon Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 If we were relegated. Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 I have said in each of the last two seasons that his job should be on the line if we go down, I see no reason to change that. Just can't see the board sacking him even if we do go down. Think the next move will be of Archie's making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Scimmia Rossa Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 I have said in each of the last two seasons that his job should be on the line if we go down, I see no reason to change that. Just can't see the board sacking him even if we do go down. Think the next move will be of Archie's making. Agreed. Keep us up and he'll move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Imagine asking someone to have a suggested replacement should the current manager move on. It's simple. Back the manager or don't. So where do you stand? I've never said he should be sacked. However, my patience wears thin with each goal-less gutless performance . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Agreed. Keep us up and he'll move on. We should be able to get points from the next 4 games, hypothetical question if we don't and have only achieved 3 points from 36 would you still have the same view point. Archie has done a lot for our club but like it or not it's a results driven business , it can't all be the boards fault paying off John Baird, Mark Kerr etc , paying wages to Ecclestone, Jake Carroll etc . Even at this point of the season Archie signs Gary Miller to replace SOd, then he goes out after 6 games and gets another right back in Dumbaya . Whether the budget has been slashed or not it's up the manager to spend it wisely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 We should be able to get points from the next 4 games, hypothetical question if we don't and have only achieved 3 points from 36 would you still have the same view point. Archie has done a lot for our club but like it or not it's a results driven business , it can't all be the boards fault paying off John Baird, Mark Kerr etc , paying wages to Ecclestone, Jake Carroll etc . Even at this point of the season Archie signs Gary Miller to replace SOd, then he goes out after 6 games and gets another right back in Dumbaya . Whether the budget has been slashed or not it's up the manager to spend it wisely. What's wrong with having two right backs if both can play in different positions as cover? It wasn't that long ago we had SOD and McMillan in the squad. Was that used as a stick to beat Archie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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