Eu Referendum

[jaggybunnet]

Cameron bears a great deal of responsibility for this.

 

def think they deserve the credit along with the sturg who with her eu love in made some of indy lovers vote out, i thank you.

[sabbath]

One wonders what the media inspired backlash would have been like were Scotland to have voted for Independence......

[Pinhead]

One wonders what the media inspired backlash would have been like were Scotland to have voted for Independence......

 

at least they won't have anything to threaten us with next time around haha

[ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz]

Nicola's Brussels date tomorrow is with this guy...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVlk0gT8aiQ

 

....speaking on 24th may 2016.

 

Scottish Nationalism and an "independence" movement has resorted to maintaining A UNION that strives for "ever closer UNION" because the UNION actually endorsed by the people of Scotland, and was in the process of granting more powers to the Scottish parliament, decided to leave a UNION it felt was taking away power.

 

She goes to work out a good deal for Scotland negotiating from the strong position of, not being a member state wanting reform with the weight of an imminent referendum to leave and a team of experienced diplomats to make the case, but rather, being desperate to sign up, and quickly with a hastily gathered team of experts.

 

Yeah.... That's "strong" leadership right there.

Edited June 28, 2016 by ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz

[Jaggernaut]

Who is your example of a "strong" leader, CGMB?

 

Cameron?

Corbyn?

Rennie?

Dugdale?

Davidson?

 

Don't make me laugh.

[ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz]

Who is your example of a "strong" leader, CGMB?

 

Cameron?

Corbyn?

Rennie?

Dugdale?

Davidson?

 

Don't make me laugh.

 

Guy Verhofstadt?

[ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz]

Alyn Smith the SNP MEP received a standing ovation after concluding his speech the other day by declaring passionately to the Brussels chamber, "Scotland, did not let you down. Please, I beg you, chers collègues, do not let Scotland down now."

 

The recent question put to the Scottish people was should the UK remain or leave the European Union. That Scotland did not let down the EU on that issue is clear. However, participation in recent elections and referenda also indicate that the Scots are not as enthusiastic about that particular "family of nations" as Mr. Smith implies.

 

2014 European parliament elections turnout - 33.5%

2014 Scottish independence referendum turnout - 84.59%

2015 UK General elections turnout - 71.1%

2016 Scottish parliament elections turnout - 55.6%

2016 EU referendum turnout – 67.2%

 

33.5% turnout does not suggest great engagement from the Scottish people. However, it does relate to nearly 1.4 million Scots keen to have their voices heard at an EU level, and this most recent figure is a record high since the Scottish constituency was formed in 1999.

 

It could be argued that an increasing number of Scots are recognising the importance of the EU and exercising their democratic right to have their view expressed through representation. What that view is exactly might not be so pro-EU as increased participation might imply. UKIP more than doubled its' vote in 2014 and elected it's first Scottish MEP.

 

While Labour and Conservatives also increased their vote share, as did strong advocates of the EU the Scottish Greens, the SNP and Lib-Dem's both lost ground in the percentage of EU voting Scots endorsing their particular EU policies

 

Mr Smith, has benefited from an education across Europe. His studies took him around Europe, Leeds, Heidelberg, Nottingham, Warsaw, and employment in one of Europe's great capitals, London.

 

He is a graduate of The College of Europe. It has been described :

 

“ According to The Times, the "College of Europe, in the medieval Belgian city of Bruges, is to the European political elite what the Harvard Business School is to American corporate life. It is a hothouse where the ambitious and talented go to make contacts".[4] The Economist describes it as "an elite finishing school for aspiring Eurocrats."[5] The Financial Times writes that "the elite College of Europe in Bruges" is "an institution geared to producing crop after crop of graduates with a lifelong enthusiasm for EU integration."[6] European Commissioner for Education Ján Figeľ described the college as "one of the most emblematic centres of European studies in the European Union".[7] The BBC has referred to it as "the EU's very own Oxbridge".[8] The college has also been described as "the leading place to study European affairs"[9] and as "the elite training center for the European Union's political class".[10] RFE/RL has referred to the college as "a Euro-federalist hot-spot."[11] The Global Mail has described its students as "Europe's leaders-in-waiting."[12]”

 

Taken from wikipedia : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Europe

 

The College of Europe campus at Natolin (Warsaw) where Mr. Smith spent his time, was founded in 1993 with the support of the European Commission.

 

Mr Smith has tried to win election at both Holyrood and Westminster. On both occasions he achieved fourth place.

 

He started his parliamentary career as Scotland's youngest MEP, and has gone on to maintain election to the European parliament in three elections since 2004, placed second on the SNP party list.

 

Check out how much it costs to have him plea to Brussels to keep, or help Scotland be, not "free" or "independent" but rather "...internationalist, cooperative, ecological, fair, European." -

 

http://www.alynsmith.eu/mep_allowances

 

 

 

Aye.... That's representative democracy right there.

[stillresigned]

I hate to admit it, but all you leave voters may just produce a majority Yes vote whenever the next Scottish independence referendum comes and come it will. There's a clear logical and rational argument for adducing that the UK that we voted to remain part of in September 2014 is no longer the status quo ante- EU referendum.

In addition there is now a much more compelling economic case for an independent Scotland within the EU. Although the currency situation will have to be addressed before any credible plan for independence is put before the people.

Obviously none of this is going to happen immediately or even the following day: the no doubt interminable delay will provide plenty of time for a credible economic plan to be devised. Nonetheless, in the absence of a functioning crystal ball like all future events there can be no guarantees only predictions based hopefully on reasoned arguments.

[Garscube Road End]

I hate to admit it, but all you leave voters may just produce a majority Yes vote whenever the next Scottish independence referendum comes and come it will. There's a clear logical and rational argument for adducing that the UK that we voted to remain part of in September 2014 is no longer the status quo ante- EU referendum.

In addition there is now a much more compelling economic case for an independent Scotland within the EU. Although the currency situation will have to be addressed before any credible plan for independence is put before the people.

Obviously none of this is going to happen immediately or even the following day: the no doubt interminable delay will provide plenty of time for a credible economic plan to be devised. Nonetheless, in the absence of a functioning crystal ball like all future events there can be no guarantees only predictions based hopefully on reasoned arguments.

 

Then us NO voters will do a Nat type demand of best of two out of three and demand a flip of a 10p coin to finally decide the vote. Seems only fair.

[Jaggernaut]

Then us NO voters will do a Nat type demand of best of two out of three and demand a flip of a 10p coin to finally decide the vote. Seems only fair.

 

Good luck with that.

[ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz]

"The European Commission is the EU's executive body. It represents the interests of the European Union as a whole (not the interests of individual countries)."

 

http://ec.europa.eu/about/index_en.htm

 

 

 

"The Commission may take action if a Member State:

• fails to incorporate EU directives into its national law and to report/communicate to the Commission what measures it has taken;
  
• or is suspected of breaching Union law.
  

If no solution can be found at an early stage, the Commission can open formal infringement proceedings and eventually refer the Member State to the European Court of Justice."

 

http://ec.europa.eu/atwork/applying-eu-law/index_en.htm

 

 

 

"..... Countries wishing to join need to have:

• stable institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities;
  
• a functioning market economy and the capacity to cope with competition and market forces in the EU;
  
• the ability to take on and implement effectively the obligations of membership, including *adherence to the aims of political, economic and monetary union."
  

(*my emphasis)

 

http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/policy/conditions-membership/index_en.htm

 

 

 

Aye ..... "independence within the EU". What our First Minister considers to be "...In the driving seat of our own destiny...". http://www.snp.org/constitution

[stillresigned]

"The European Commission is the EU's executive body. It represents the interests of the European Union as a whole (not the interests of individual countries)."

 

http://ec.europa.eu/about/index_en.htm

 

 

 

"The Commission may take action if a Member State:

• fails to incorporate EU directives into its national law and to report/communicate to the Commission what measures it has taken;
  
• or is suspected of breaching Union law.
  

If no solution can be found at an early stage, the Commission can open formal infringement proceedings and eventually refer the Member State to the European Court of Justice."

 

http://ec.europa.eu/atwork/applying-eu-law/index_en.htm

 

 

 

"..... Countries wishing to join need to have:

• stable institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities;
  
• a functioning market economy and the capacity to cope with competition and market forces in the EU;
  
• the ability to take on and implement effectively the obligations of membership, including *adherence to the aims of political, economic and monetary union."
  

(*my emphasis)

 

http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/policy/conditions-membership/index_en.htm

 

 

 

Aye ..... "independence within the EU". What our First Minister considers to be "...In the driving seat of our own destiny...". http://www.snp.org/constitution

It would certainly be considerably more independent than the status quo.

[Norgethistle]

I hate to admit it, but all you leave voters may just produce a majority Yes vote whenever the next Scottish independence referendum comes and come it will. There's a clear logical and rational argument for adducing that the UK that we voted to remain part of in September 2014 is no longer the status quo ante- EU referendum.

In addition there is now a much more compelling economic case for an independent Scotland within the EU. Although the currency situation will have to be addressed before any credible plan for independence is put before the people.

Obviously none of this is going to happen immediately or even the following day: the no doubt interminable delay will provide plenty of time for a credible economic plan to be devised. Nonetheless, in the absence of a functioning crystal ball like all future events there can be no guarantees only predictions based hopefully on reasoned arguments.

 

So every time the vote doesn't go Scotland's way the SNP shout independence!! What happens if Scotland go independent and Glasgow votes one way yet the rest of Scotland votes another, does Glasgow push to go it alone??

 

The SNP are making a mockery of a democratic system, going against the will of the majority and their own "once in a generation" statement on the independence referendum.

 

It's time they started trying to do what they are meant to be as in running Scotland with the wealth of powers they have, instead of blaming Westminster and dividing an increasingly divided Scotland

[Jaggernaut]

So every time the vote doesn't go Scotland's way the SNP shout independence!! What happens if Scotland go independent and Glasgow votes one way yet the rest of Scotland votes another, does Glasgow push to go it alone??

 

The SNP are making a mockery of a democratic system, going against the will of the majority and their own "once in a generation" statement on the independence referendum.

 

It's time they started trying to do what they are meant to be as in running Scotland with the wealth of powers they have, instead of blaming Westminster and dividing an increasingly divided Scotland

 

Your own attempts at creating division are notable. Since when did being able to raise 30% of all taxes amount to a "wealth of powers"?

[ChewinGumMacaroonBaaaz]

It would certainly be considerably more independent than the status quo.

 

How?

[Guy Incognito]

Your own attempts at creating division are notable. Since when did being able to raise 30% of all taxes amount to a "wealth of powers"?

 

Never mind that, it's the revelation that the SNP are in favour of an independent Scottish state that has stopped me in my tracks. I had absolutely no idea.