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what a lovely picture. what's on the other side of the ice wall, hmmm? and can you show us all a picture of flat earth from side on? bless you.
As Human kind has been unable to reach further than 12km into the flat earth, it is reasonable to assume, that from the side on its possible that it may be narrow. I would support the hypothesis, however we are part of an infinite plain. with absolutely no evidence other than that from NASA, we live on a ball, the truth of the flat earth is insurmountable........the truth is not only out there but in our face.....
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If the Earth is flat, why can't you and I see the Southern Cross? Alternatively, why is the moon in the sky here and there? And what of seasons where Aussies have Christmas Barbies and we have cold pies at Firhill? You have much explaining to do....
As we're all conditioned into the notion that science knows all please watch the following.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sZUO9LxMdE

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Assuming I exist (see above), the biscuit tin theory has its attractions. If the tin is a round one, that would explain both the flat and the round earthers' theories. The flat earthers inhabit the flat top and bottom of the tin, while the round earthers inhabit the round side of the tin. Simple when you think about it.

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As Human kind has been unable to reach further than 12km into the flat earth, it is reasonable to assume, that from the side on its possible that it may be narrow. I would support the hypothesis, however we are part of an infinite plain. with absolutely no evidence other than that from NASA, we live on a ball, the truth of the flat earth is insurmountable........the truth is not only out there but in our face.....

Utter. Nonsense.

 

And, even if you're a just a troll, you betray your motivation very nicely. You do realise that there were globes before 1958. Maybe you don't. You do realise that the circumference of the earth was measured in ancient times in a geometrical way that absolutely precludes a flat surface with a close sun? How did NASA influence Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Newton, John Harrison etc?

 

In your world, the answer is presumably the New World Order and the Illuminati? How big is this conspiracy? Everybody in Australia is clearly in on it according to your map. For this to work there must be far fewer people not part of this than are part of it.

 

And you blandly make assertive statements that you can't prove the curvature or gravity. When demonstrated that you can, you just ignore and handwave about NASA and 'truth'. Classic troll behaviour.

 

You're clearly not prepared to defend your statements. But can you answer one question - do you truthfully believe this crap?

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I haven't posted on this forum for years, but on being astounded that someone was arguing the earth is flat, I couldn't help myself. I studied Topographic Science at University in the 80's which included the fairly mathematically hefty science of Geodesy... This also incorporates the mathematics and science behind GPS, GLONASS and various other satellite based position systems. I can't remember much about the detail now, but I knew my stuff then (got a 1st class degree), and I can tell you that the earth was absolutely an approximation of an oblate spheroid. I then went on to be a Land Surveyor and gained a professional qualification in the 90's. This involved many things including doing positioning calculations where the curvature of the earth had to be taken in to account - funnily enough these calculations worked - so the earth was still a globe then. I suspect those involved in Civil Engineering, for example those building the new Forth Bridge, telecommunications, projectile physics, meteorology, navigation, and a whole host other things THAT WORK, would be able to state a similar experience.

 

If the earth has mutated into a flat surface since I changed professions in 00's, I want to know why I never noticed!! I think I better catch up with my mates who are still pacticing surveyors to find out more!!

 

WHAT ABSOLUTE GUFF!!!

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Sabbath, Eric Dubay was out there with this dead theory for ages until a few others picked up on him and gave him a lift up.

The flat earth theory had been debunked so many times normal debunkers couldn't be bothered this time round and it gave him and it a clear run.

Eric had by this point harnessed social media to a degree that others hadn't done (and that is his real triumph)

so for the last couple of years it has become almost unchallenged as the number one (or two) internet conspiracy theory.

Eric like all the other snake oil salesmen has something to sell. Truth takes a back seat to whatever book he is

selling this month.

There are no serious people backing this anywhere and I don't even think Gio from Ancient Aliens has touched it and he believes in anything :-) Alex Jones doesn't buy it either and if you can't convince him then you have nothing.

Go find another theory as this one is complete nonsense. :-) hint: Aliens- always safe ground :-)

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I spent night after night trying to understand the maths of map projections, and now your telling me it was all unnecessary because the earth is flat!! All we need do is project directly from world to paper with maybe just a wee one dimensional scale factor thrown in! All the guys like Lambert, Mercator, Eckert, Peters, etc who tussled with ways of representing a spherical object on a flat surface whilst preserving shape/direction, area or distance, were really just dunces - Mr Dubay knows better than them all apparently....

 

So bloody annoying!!! Arrogance and total disrespect not only for the great map makers, surveyors and engineers of the past, but also for great explorers like Amundsen, Cabot, and Magellan, and all the people who really have contributed to our understanding of the earth. There are so many brilliant stories along the way - of people like John 'Longitude' Harrison, the guy who succeeded in building a clock which was accurate enough for navigators to determine longitude as they crossed the world's oceans.

 

Can you tell that this has really got under my skin...

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It is the typical psychological response when people are confronted with the fact they have been fooled, the first is to make fun of what you are shown the second is anger. There are undeniable facts put forward that simply cannot be challenged, and not one single truth of Mr Dubays has ever been debunked. I refer to Eric Dubay, only because he sets out his stall, to be not only informative but entertaining, there are others equally as good, which virtually all questions are answered (Jeranism; the Morgile: Mark Sargent: My perspective).

No one has crossed Antarctica, sure they have went in but all came out the same way, even the maps makers accept that there are problems with projections in the Southern latitudes, and all maps are so inaccurate there is not one country on earth the correct size.

Though there is a huge amount of evidence which shows the earth is flat, the simplest one of all, is the curvature test, there is NO curvature......

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Sabbath, Eric Dubay was out there with this dead theory for ages until a few others picked up on him and gave him a lift up. The flat earth theory had been debunked so many times normal debunkers couldn't be bothered this time round and it gave him and it a clear run. Eric had by this point harnessed social media to a degree that others hadn't done (and that is his real triumph) so for the last couple of years it has become almost unchallenged as the number one (or two) internet conspiracy theory. Eric like all the other snake oil salesmen has something to sell. Truth takes a back seat to whatever book he is selling this month. There are no serious people backing this anywhere and I don't even think Gio from Ancient Aliens has touched it and he believes in anything :-) Alex Jones doesn't buy it either and if you can't convince him then you have nothing. Go find another theory as this one is complete nonsense. :-) hint: Aliens- always safe ground :-)
I feel you do Eric a disservice, I would not want to get fixated totally by Eric, there are others out there. As for Alex Jones keep an eye on him over the next year or so, he is not part of the truth movement, but a very bad man........Keep searching, once you go flat there's no going back
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even the maps makers accept that there are problems with projections in the Southern latitudes, and all maps are so inaccurate there is not one country on earth the correct size...

 

Please don't talk shite about something I know about. No there is no particular problem with any projection - every single projection is a compromrise - some are good at preserving shape, some are good at preserving area, some are good for the high and low latitudes, while some are good for the mid-latitudes. And the reason for that is simple - when you try to represent a globe on a flat surface, there has to be a compromise - try squashing and orange flat and you'll see what I mean. ******* hell what do you mean by a map, and what do you mean by correct size? Your ignorance on the subject is stunning.

 

And no I'm not angry because I'm being confronted with a truth which blows away my previous knowledge. I'm angry because there's 4 pages of this pish, and there's narcissists like Dubay or whatever the **** he's called trolling the world so he gets some attention... Jeez, this is why I don't waste my time with forums..

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Trust me Sabbath I am not fixated by Eric :lol:- The others just repeat the same nonsense. To tell the truth not even the Flat Earther's really believe it is flat. They just believe it for the sake of their book sales and internet hits.

Well done on this excellent Troll and being at this subject for a whole year.

And yes we went to the moon.

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Please don't talk shite about something I know about. No there is no particular problem with any projection - every single projection is a compromrise - some are good at preserving shape, some are good at preserving area, some are good for the high and low latitudes, while some are good for the mid-latitudes. And the reason for that is simple - when you try to represent a globe on a flat surface, there has to be a compromise - try squashing and orange flat and you'll see what I mean. ******* hell what do you mean by a map, and what do you mean by correct size? Your ignorance on the subject is stunning. And no I'm not angry because I'm being confronted with a truth which blows away my previous knowledge. I'm angry because there's 4 pages of this pish, and there's narcissists like Dubay or whatever the **** he's called trolling the world so he gets some attention... Jeez, this is why I don't waste my time with forums..
I apologise, I never knew you believed yourself to be the number one authority on maps. I'll leave a clip from Mark Sargent, who is Eric's arch enemy on the flat earth since you appear to have a hang up with Dubay, and also a wee quote from Mr Twain "It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled".

please step back a bit and you may well see the forest.

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How do flat earthers explain day and night? I'm too scared of going to look for fear of getting angry again.
Please Mr Angry don't get angry get even, but before you do, just spend thirty minutes away from the porn, and watch the attached clip. all your fears will just disappear and the only thing under your bed will be your adult mags....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfMZ9sDXAp0

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Sabbath our very own David Icke lol Poor guy never watched the Truman show to the very end !
Again Ive been scanning the clips to see if I can find something relevant, Its fairly short but quite good. I should let you know, I don't claim to be the go to guy with regard to the flat earth, there are some excellent work out there well worth taking a look at. Mark Sargent does cover the Truman concept, take a look.........the truth is out there...

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Trust me Sabbath I am not fixated by Eric :lol:- The others just repeat the same nonsense. To tell the truth not even the Flat Earther's really believe it is flat. They just believe it for the sake of their book sales and internet hits. Well done on this excellent Troll and being at this subject for a whole year. And yes we went to the moon.
Tam, just take some time out and do your own research as some might say. when I first check into the flat earth the hits were in the thousands with thumbs down in the region of five to one, now the hits are expected to hit fifty million by the end of the month with the thumbs up in the region of ten to one. I have looked back and found a clip from Fran who was a newbie at the time, and maybe just town your street. it was well presented so sit back open a can and get your feet up.....

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I am not the number one authority on maps - where did I say that? I have however worked with them, either in a surveying or IT context for 28 years... Not a boast, just what I have done. And in all that time the earth has proven to be very much a globe... Hey, ho...

 

I think it best if I leave you, your delusion and your childish references to porn alone... All the best. xx

 

eta: PS: I see no-one has managed to answer the question about map projections over here either:-)

 

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62095.0#.Vvmg6fkrLIU

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