Team rebuilding

[Duke Gekantawa]

4 minutes ago, MonehJags said:

I think we have a decent team that with the right guidance could challenge this season. The problem is we have guys that dont have a clue what there doing. Why do we 'convert' players from their strongest position into one that is foreign to them? Elliot was a striker and slowly but surely has been shoe horned into a full back of which he is competent at best. Miles storey is now a winger? He doesnt have the sense to look up before putting in a consistently woeful ball. Storer im sure was announced as a striker, only now Archie believes he is a midfielder. Play to the players strengths instead of trying to squeeze them into a system that hasn't worked in quite some time

I don't follow your point r.e. Elliot. As you say yourself, Elliot is a competent full back. He, quite simply,  was not a competent striker. Therefore he has found his correct position and the "conversion" is a good one.  The key to playing to player's strengths is finding their strengths in the first place.

[MonehJags]

Competent at best was how I described him which being honest was generous.

[Dick Dastardly]

Paul Paton was a right back until he was moved to midfield.  Jukha Santala was .... (lets just leave it at that)

I am puzzled my the addition of Melbourne, not that he isn't a good player, but it is a direct competition for a place that we already have covered. I am wondering if there is a thought that Penrice could play as the holding midfielder. I know he has played in midfield at this level, so it might work

 

[lady-isobel-barnett]

I don't know what will be the final amount of squad players we'll settle on but it's maybe worth remembering we've got a reserve side to field. Reserve games are played on a Monday so it's highly unlikely anyone who played on a Saturday will be involved two days later. Perhaps the unused subs will play and youngsters will make up the bench, but if you factor in injuries and suspensions it's clear we'll need a good bit larger squad than we have at this point in time. 

Our reserve team can't be bolstered by our U20s as last year's players have either been released or have already been added to this season's 1st team squad.  I'm not suggesting Archie is going to sign players to suit the requirements of the reserve team but it's a good enough indication as to the positions in the 1st team squad that need filling.  

[MonehJags]

20 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

Paul Paton was a right back until he was moved to midfield.  Jukha Santala was .... (lets just leave it at that)

I am puzzled my the addition of Melbourne, not that he isn't a good player, but it is a direct competition for a place that we already have covered. I am wondering if there is a thought that Penrice could play as the holding midfielder. I know he has played in midfield at this level, so it might work

 

So in your opinion, do you think we are getting the best out of the players we have?

[laukat]

The addition of Melbourne makes sense for a few reasons. Beyond creating competition at left full back, Melbourne is probably more suited to playing a wingback roll. it also allows Archie to move Penrice.

Whilst I've seen plenty of people mentioning Penrice for midfield he is also capable of covering at either left centre defence or if we play 3 at the back as the ball playing sweeper.  Penrice could be as much a utility player for us this season as Christie had been in the previous seasons.

We have a squad of about 18 just now and its hard to see that going much higher than 22. We clearly need a specialist defensive midfielder who hopefully is also a captain type figure, cover at right back, at least one winger and a striker so players that can play more than one position will be key to getting through a long hard season.

[Duke Gekantawa]

7 minutes ago, MonehJags said:

So in your opinion, do you think we are getting the best out of the players we have?

We definitely didn't last season; we probably did the season before.

It's far too early to say this season (seeing that the league campaign is yet to kick off!).

[jaf]

We surely need two strikers?

We have Doolan.

Then we have Storey who is more likely to play on wing it seems, and Storer who Archie has already proclaimed is not a striker.

If anything happens to Dools, we will have no starting natural striker, and no cover on bench presently.

More importantly Dools will be permitted to go through the season  with no competition, during form slumps (and arguably is in one right now).

We need two strikers if Storey is to be played wide.

 

 

 

[javeajag]

16 minutes ago, jaf said:

We surely need two strikers?

We have Doolan.

Then we have Storey who is more likely to play on wing it seems, and Storer who Archie has already proclaimed is not a striker.

If anything happens to Dools, we will have no starting natural striker, and no cover on bench presently.

More importantly Dools will be permitted to go through the season  with no competition, during form slumps (and arguably is in one right now).

We need two strikers if Storey is to be played wide.

 

 

 

Storey doesn’t score enough goals to be classified as a striker ....

if archie says we need at least four players I assume that’s a CB RB DM and striker 

[Lenziejag]

42 minutes ago, MonehJags said:

So in your opinion, do you think we are getting the best out of the players we have?

I think it is way too early to say. We have only played 4 league cup matches.

[jagfox]

1 hour ago, Dick Dastardly said:

Paul Paton was a right back until he was moved to midfield.  Jukha Santala was .... (lets just leave it at that)

I am puzzled my the addition of Melbourne, not that he isn't a good player, but it is a direct competition for a place that we already have covered. I am wondering if there is a thought that Penrice could play as the holding midfielder. I know he has played in midfield at this level, so it might work

 

Don't see why not. He's not much of a left back from what I've seen. His attributes would be better employed further forward, imo.

[MonehJags]

1 hour ago, Lenziejag said:

I think it is way too early to say. We have only played 4 league cup matches.

The spine of the team is the same as last season. We'll see again tomorrow but I'd predict another toothless performance with the majority of our possession in the middle third of the park. I hope I'm wrong though and we win convincingly by a four goal margin

[Dick Dastardly]

2 hours ago, MonehJags said:

So in your opinion, do you think we are getting the best out of the players we have?

As others have said, it is too early, and we don't have the full squad assembled. The jury is out, but I do think that Archie is a bit stuck with the tactics which won promotion last time round. It hasn't really worked for a while, so I personally would like to see a change, or a sign of a plan B. Our best football was played with 3 at the back last year.

 

That said, I don't know what goes on in training. Are the players carrying out the instructions they were given ? The board are better placed than me. They backed Archie and got rid of much of the squad, so perhaps there were some bad apples and the new squad might put the master plan into action. We should know by the end of September. 

[allyo]

4 hours ago, MonehJags said:

Elliot was a striker and slowly but surely has been shoe horned into a full back of which he is competent at best.

Elliott was never a striker. No question he is better in his current position than his previous one. Regardless of last week's spectacular fail

[JAG1970]

We've had two knock backs the last couple of days according to our manager...   another season begins with us short of numbers and a tough first few games

[Norgethistle]

16 hours ago, potty trained said:

You want us to have a 26 man squad?

We need to name 16 for a 1st team game plus field reserve team, Cover for injuries, suspensions and be able to freshen up, 18 players with 3 of them GKs is way too light

[Garscube Road End]

18 minutes ago, JAG1970 said:

We've had two knock backs the last couple of days according to our manager...   another season begins with us short of numbers and a tough first few games

I think there in lies the problem. We are finding it difficult to sign anyone of note that would improve the squad. I think we will have a very thin line of first team players and a gaggle of bodies to make up.

[potty trained]

7 minutes ago, Norgethistle said:

We need to name 16 for a 1st team game plus field reserve team, Cover for injuries, suspensions and be able to freshen up, 18 players with 3 of them GKs is way too light

So some of the players you want are just to fill reserve spaces? But you didn't include reserve players in your original count. 

[Norgethistle]

10 minutes ago, potty trained said:

So some of the players you want are just to fill reserve spaces? But you didn't include reserve players in your original count. 

We have 1 striker, 1 right back signed

2 centre half’s with another on the transfer list

Missing a winger

Missing a defensive midfielder 

 

Its about competition for places, it’s covering injuries (which we already have 2) and covering suspensions (2 out for Saturday already)

 

That squad is the smallest in the league and we can barely name a bench without bringing development players onto it, if you think the squads fine your definitely in the minority

[potty trained]

13 minutes ago, Norgethistle said:

We have 1 striker, 1 right back signed

2 centre half’s with another on the transfer list

Missing a winger

Missing a defensive midfielder 

 

Its about competition for places, it’s covering injuries (which we already have 2) and covering suspensions (2 out for Saturday already)

 

That squad is the smallest in the league and we can barely name a bench without bringing development players onto it, if you think the squads fine your definitely in the minority

I didn't say the squad was fine. At no point have I even come close to suggesting that.

 

On the flip side, neither have I suggested that we should be recruiting double what the manager thinks he needs. 

Edited August 3, 2018 by potty trained

[Norgethistle]

25 minutes ago, potty trained said:

So some of the players you want are just to fill reserve spaces? But you didn't include reserve players in your original count. 

We also only have 5 reserve players including Fitzpatrick

[Paulo]

I thought the reserve side would generally be our under 18s/20s, with most of the subs bench from the weekend.

[potty trained]

2 hours ago, MonehJags said:

The spine of the team is the same as last season.

No its not.

[Dick Dastardly]

Am I alone in being not particularly bothered about how we fill a reserve team. It would be fantastic if we could develop a Scottish Messi, but I have no expectation of that. The first team is the priority and 3 or 4 (depending on Keown) are needed there.

[jags on tour]

So who were the two we missed out on? Lawless and Graham ?