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How's this for breathtaking hypocrisy as Sevco chairman King calls for an independent investigation of the SPFL chairman Murdo McLennan bacause of alleged links to Cetic.

"The SPFL and SFA must now appoint independent investigators. Scottish football is an important national asset and must have levels of probity and governance that are beyond reproach and that are transparently so."

 

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It's all deflection to distract the unwashed hordes (copyright last guy he had a go at) from the fact that Gerrard's promised £20 million a year is not going to appear.  Greene did the same thing in the past, playing the bigot card to get the hvns onside.  (If it was a guy with a supposed connection to Hamilton or Clyde you wouldn't have heard a word - it has to be the team they hate and can be wound up about (Aberdeen might have done as second best).

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King is a glib and shameless liar.  Don't take my word for it, take the word of the South African judges who found him guilty of tax fraud.  How the hell he is allowed anywhere near Scottish football I'll never know.

"[20] Mr. [Dave King] is a tall, slim man in his 50s. He appeared to be very confident and not in the slightest uncomfortable about giving evidence and being cross-examined. He is intelligent and articulate and appears to be well-versed in the intricacies of the financial world and the purchasing and selling of shares on the JSE. Notwithstanding these advantages he made a very poor impression as a witness. He is extremely arrogant and obviously thinks that whatever he says is so. It was demonstrated that he deliberately misrepresented the facts of the case to his legal representatives, to SARS in correspondence and at the section 74C enquiry and to the representatives and solicitors of the Y Trust. As his evidence progressed it became clear that he has no respect for the truth and does not hesitate to lie or at least misrepresent the facts if he thinks it will be to his advantage. There can be little doubt that on most occasions Mr. [Dave King] lied as he knew the correct facts and obviously decided to misrepresent these facts. In cross-examination Mr. [Dave King] often avoided giving a proper answer to the questions. Sometimes he simply ignored the point of the question and gave a long rambling answer. On other occasions he resorted to bluster or to attacking the integrity of the cross-examiner, accusing him of misrepresenting the facts to the court. He also attacked the integrity of the Commissioner's attorney, accusing him of presenting facts to the court knowing them to be untrue. It is significant that the appellant's counsel have not attempted to make anything of these allegations. They clearly consider that there is no merit in these allegations. We saw Mr. [Dave King] testify in chief and in cross-examination for four days and are unanimous in finding that he is a mendacious witness whose evidence should not be accepted on any issue unless it is supported by documents or other objective evidence. It was remarkable that Mr. [Dave King] showed no sign of embarrassment or any emotion when he conceded that he had lied to the Commissioner in a number of his income tax returns. In our assessment he is a glib and shameless liar."

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Dermot Desmond has a few skeletons in the closet,  you do not become a billionaire being a nice guy

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2011/jul/17/panorama-expose-care-home-boss-resigns

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15427634.Dermot_Desmond_bank_fined_after_FBI_probe_in_to_North_Korean_scandal/

https://www.scotsman.com/regions/glasgow-strathclyde/paradise-papers-celtic-majority-shareholder-s-firm-used-offshore-tax-haven-1-4606461

I could go on, its so good to see the old firm with no morals even in the board rooms 

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8 hours ago, DenisOhDenis said:

King is a glib and shameless liar.  Don't take my word for it, take the word of the South African judges who found him guilty of tax fraud.  How the hell he is allowed anywhere near Scottish football I'll never know.

"[20] Mr. [Dave King] is a tall, slim man in his 50s. He appeared to be very confident and not in the slightest uncomfortable about giving evidence and being cross-examined. He is intelligent and articulate and appears to be well-versed in the intricacies of the financial world and the purchasing and selling of shares on the JSE. Notwithstanding these advantages he made a very poor impression as a witness. He is extremely arrogant and obviously thinks that whatever he says is so. It was demonstrated that he deliberately misrepresented the facts of the case to his legal representatives, to SARS in correspondence and at the section 74C enquiry and to the representatives and solicitors of the Y Trust. As his evidence progressed it became clear that he has no respect for the truth and does not hesitate to lie or at least misrepresent the facts if he thinks it will be to his advantage. There can be little doubt that on most occasions Mr. [Dave King] lied as he knew the correct facts and obviously decided to misrepresent these facts. In cross-examination Mr. [Dave King] often avoided giving a proper answer to the questions. Sometimes he simply ignored the point of the question and gave a long rambling answer. On other occasions he resorted to bluster or to attacking the integrity of the cross-examiner, accusing him of misrepresenting the facts to the court. He also attacked the integrity of the Commissioner's attorney, accusing him of presenting facts to the court knowing them to be untrue. It is significant that the appellant's counsel have not attempted to make anything of these allegations. They clearly consider that there is no merit in these allegations. We saw Mr. [Dave King] testify in chief and in cross-examination for four days and are unanimous in finding that he is a mendacious witness whose evidence should not be accepted on any issue unless it is supported by documents or other objective evidence. It was remarkable that Mr. [Dave King] showed no sign of embarrassment or any emotion when he conceded that he had lied to the Commissioner in a number of his income tax returns. In our assessment he is a glib and shameless liar."

I wonder if Steven Gerrard has read all this stuff about King.  If he has it might explain why he took so long to consider the offer, but not explain putting pen to paper.

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Probably not but even if he has, ego is a powerful (and often blinding) force in some people.  He no doubt thinks he's been a great player so is bound to be a great manager and that the SPL is a kid-on league which he can easily conquer.  The bold PMcG hints that he is miffed at not being offered more substantial promotion in the coaching hierarchy at Liverpool (offered "corporate ambassador") and is very keen to prove himself as a coach and manager.  When you want something very much that is also a reason to blind yourselves to the fact you may be being offered a pig in a poke.

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16 minutes ago, Mr Bunny said:

Probably not but even if he has, ego is a powerful (and often blinding) force in some people.  He no doubt thinks he's been a great player so is bound to be a great manager and that the SPL is a kid-on league which he can easily conquer.  The bold PMcG hints that he is miffed at not being offered more substantial promotion in the coaching hierarchy at Liverpool (offered "corporate ambassador") and is very keen to prove himself as a coach and manager.  When you want something very much that is also a reason to blind yourselves to the fact you may be being offered a pig in a poke.

The offer of a pig in a poke might be preferable to the offer of a poke in a pig, which some newspaper headlines suggest greater familiarity with.

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11 hours ago, allyo said:

This stuff is all okay as long as you don't take them too seriously

You're right. It's not as if King has any undue influence over "our" football authorities.  Same for Desomond for that matter but far as I know he has never been found guilty of tax evasion in his personal business interests,  never mind been part of a club board that  employed illegal tax evasion schemes that, among other things, cheated Thistle out of a cup final.   

Transparency?  Bring it on.

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pushing the Hypocrisy issue to the side and ignoring the Fact its coming from Rangers - raising the issue that a Senior Figure in the SFA who is going to act as an independant arbiter on Football Issues- whilst being in Employment of the Richest Owner of a Scottish Club is something that cant be ignored 

In addition we have another SFA Board Member describing Rangers Fans as the "unwashed" again someone that is unacceptable and shows bias 

Is it any wonder the SFA reputation is so poor ? 

It will be interesting to see how the new CEO deals with the issues 

   

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On 5/30/2018 at 10:11 AM, Mr Bunny said:

Probably not but even if he has, ego is a powerful (and often blinding) force in some people.  He no doubt thinks he's been a great player so is bound to be a great manager and that the SPL is a kid-on league which he can easily conquer.  The bold PMcG hints that he is miffed at not being offered more substantial promotion in the coaching hierarchy at Liverpool (offered "corporate ambassador") and is very keen to prove himself as a coach and manager.  When you want something very much that is also a reason to blind yourselves to the fact you may be being offered a pig in a poke.

And PMcG would know this how ? if thats the case why didnt he take the Wimbeldon job - an "alternative theory" is that the best he will get bis a second Tier Chamopionship Team - odds against promotion zero  - no chance of European Football - Rangers mid Season last year were 11 points behind Celtic with a game in hand - if they had won that then they are chasing Celtic -  lest we forget its a very poor Rangers Team 

If Gerrard strengthens the Team - gives Celtic a run for there money ( factoring in he doesnt need to win the League just come close ) decent run in Europe - Premiership Clubs start looking at him 

But of course - its most likely as PcMG states that he is miffed - although Klopp stated he saw him as a future Liverpool Manager and that he would full support him in anyway at Rangers - doesnt stack up with the PMcG conspiracy - as for budget he will get high quality loan players and will have a very good network for Scouting 

Given the people advising him are from Glasgow Im pretty sure he is going in with his eyes open 

Plus Gary Mcallister is very experienced  as an Assistant and Gerrard is close to Hollier who will give advice  

 

  

 

    

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7 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

pushing the Hypocrisy issue to the side and ignoring the Fact its coming from Rangers - raising the issue that a Senior Figure in the SFA who is going to act as an independant arbiter on Football Issues- whilst being in Employment of the Richest Owner of a Scottish Club is something that cant be ignored 

In addition we have another SFA Board Member describing Rangers Fans as the "unwashed" again someone that is unacceptable and shows bias 

Is it any wonder the SFA reputation is so poor ? 

It will be interesting to see how the new CEO deals with the issues 

   

I haven't been following this very closely but I gather that MacLennan is a non-executive director for a company where Desmond is a minority shareholder.  I'm happy to be corrected if these aren't the facts but if they are, I can't see how this can be interpreted as him being in employment of the richest owner of a Scottish Club.

According to Wikipedia (not always the most reliable source but there's no reason to doubt it here) "Non-executive directors provide independent oversight and serve on committees concerned with sensitive issues such as the pay of the executive directors and other senior managers; they are usually paid a fee for their services but are not regarded as employees."  

So on the face of it, Desmond is just a shareholder and does't own the company but even if he did, MacLennan is actually being paid to be independent, which seems to be exactly the qualities we are looking for from our football administrators.

King is simply sh*t stirring and if anyone is bringing the game into disrepute here it is him.

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On 31/05/2018 at 12:17 PM, Jordanhill Jag said:

And PMcG would know this how ? if thats the case why didnt he take the Wimbeldon job - an "alternative theory" is that the best he will get bis a second Tier Chamopionship Team - odds against promotion zero  - no chance of European Football - Rangers mid Season last year were 11 points behind Celtic with a game in hand - if they had won that then they are chasing Celtic -  lest we forget its a very poor Rangers Team 

If Gerrard strengthens the Team - gives Celtic a run for there money ( factoring in he doesnt need to win the League just come close ) decent run in Europe - Premiership Clubs start looking at him 

But of course - its most likely as PcMG states that he is miffed - although Klopp stated he saw him as a future Liverpool Manager and that he would full support him in anyway at Rangers - doesnt stack up with the PMcG conspiracy - as for budget he will get high quality loan players and will have a very good network for Scouting 

Given the people advising him are from Glasgow Im pretty sure he is going in with his eyes open 

Plus Gary Mcallister is very experienced  as an Assistant and Gerrard is close to Hollier who will give advice  

 

  

 

    

Your comments re PMG are fair enough (though a fair percentage of what he says usually comes to pass) and could be no more than rumours.  However (putting PMG aside - which I didn't take as gospel, only  possible explanation) the whole thing doesn't stack up.  Rangers may have a bigger (but not massively bigger) budget than most other SPL teams but they are miles behind Celtic.  Also as we all know they are in debt, badly run and with plenty of in-fighting behind the scenes.  Not to mention King is in charge, a convicted felon and general chancer.  I doubt Gerrard will have as good a budget as Caixinha though I suppose it could be argued that it'd be hard to be a worse manager.  He will be going into a situation where there is a lot going on behind the scenes to disrupt things and he won't be getting the money he expected to spend on players.

He might be lucky and get to a cup final, even win one which would keep the Orcs happy for a season but it's hard to see how he could enhance his reputation.  Ranger were "closer"  this season in the sense of a points gap but still third (even after unsettling Aberdeen with their go at their manager) and the smaller gap was more to do with Celtic complacency than the other teams getting stronger - next season they won't be (possibly thanks to Gerrard being appointed) and they will strengthen.  Now, I know there are things you can't foretell and it may be Gerrard is a natural manager and will show that but even then he'll struggle to win anything.  I honestly wonder if Gerrard's Glasgow advisors were Rangers supporters keen to do something to help their club sell season tickets.

It's all rumours and supposition (and even more so in the media up here) and we can't say anything  for sure except Celtic will almost certainly win the league and at least one of the cups.  

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Mr Bunny 

Gerrards advisors worked at Thistle under Lambie and they are not Rangers Fans - they are pragmatists and simply do the Maths 

Lower Level Chamionship Club or a weak Rangers where they are so far down that it wont take much to improve 

As I said mid way through last season - Celtic 11 points clear - Rangers a Game in hand - win that game (which they didnt ) you are chasing and applying pressure - so gap isnt as big as people think in Football terms - all Football decisions are a huge Gamble - the learning curve for Gerrard is massive - but he is a natural competitor he has played under enourmous pressure - his leadership being 2-0 down in the Champions League is one of the best displays in a major Final - Rogers has none of that - he has a bif budget - no competition - so its interesting if nothing else ( never know Thistle might get the odd loan Player etc given the Liverpool - Jags connection Shankly - Hansen )  

 

 

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I am so over anything to do with the OF. And bored of how stories about them fill our back pages and football gossip columns.

In many ways, if they did exit south to try to win promotion from EFL League One, it would give space for the rest of Scottish football to breathe.

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