potty trained Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 20 minutes ago, Dunfermline Jag said: The Keown situation is ridiculous and entirely down to the club. If we don't get an offer for him then we either pay him Premiership wages to play for us or we pay him Premiership wages to train with us but don't play him. Given the numbers we have, and the relative quality of Keown versus McGinty, it is reckless & stupid not to be playing him every week. it would also put him in the shop window for a transfer. How do you think the 7 or 8(?) Players who took wage cuts would feel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 minute ago, potty trained said: How do you think the 7 or 8(?) Players who took wage cuts would feel? As some of them have 6 games to play before the end of the month, I would think they may be glad if Keown gives them a bit of breathing space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, David Brent said: Why does he not have a relegation clause? Who sanctioned this? Obviously I'm asking these questions out loud but it strikes me as a ridiculously poor decision. If we can't move him on- or he doesn't sign reduced terms-then we won't be able to get players in. The three players who didn't have a relegation clause are all from south of the border, albeit Storey was playing at Aberdeen. It's maybe standard procedure when tempting players to up sticks to not have a relegation clause. It could be a straight choice between relegation clause or a low trigger clause. Could be we'd have to pay them more (wages, final position bonuses etc) if we added in a relegation clause. Whatever, the "who sanctioned this" is an easy answer, Ian Maxwell. More to the point is the three players didn't perform to a level to match their wage/contract and thus in varying degrees were in part responsible for our downfall. Maxwell can't be faulted for that. That's Archie's domain. Also don't forget when it comes to contracts Cerny & Edwards have cost us as well. They too played a part in our relegation. If we stayed up and those two left we'd have received transfer fees. Not sad to see them go tho' they would probably have been fine for the Championship but we've no doubt had to pay signing on fees to their replacements. Edited August 9, 2018 by lady-isobel-barnett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunfermline Jag Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 3 hours ago, scotty said: As some of them have 6 games to play before the end of the month, I would think they may be glad if Keown gives them a bit of breathing space. This, plus I imagine, in general terms, they'd feel a lot better watching him being paid more than they are to actually play rather than watching him being paid more than they are to do nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 Get Keown back into the first 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, sandy said: Get Keown back into the first 11 I have read that Archie is hamstrung regards an appearance bonus for Keown. The board apparently don't want him to play. May or may not be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 Sandy i agree with your point but i dont think it will happen Archie has said that Keown didnt have a clause in his contract stating if the club were relegated then a pay cut was required (Also its not Keowns problem as the club must have agreed the terms of the deal when he signed) so unless theres injuries or he himself decides to take a pay cut then i think he may sit tight as i think if he was going to take the cut he wpuld have done it by now hopefully something can be sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, Maestro said: Sandy i agree with your point but i dont think it will happen Archie has said that Keown didnt have a clause in his contract stating if the club were relegated then a pay cut was required (Also its not Keowns problem as the club must have agreed the terms of the deal when he signed) so unless theres injuries or he himself decides to take a pay cut then i think he may sit tight as i think if he was going to take the cut he wpuld have done it by now hopefully something can be sorted I suppose a nightmare scenario is Keown getting injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowenBoys Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, Maestro said: Sandy i agree with your point but i dont think it will happen Archie has said that Keown didnt have a clause in his contract stating if the club were relegated then a pay cut was required (Also its not Keowns problem as the club must have agreed the terms of the deal when he signed) so unless theres injuries or he himself decides to take a pay cut then i think he may sit tight as i think if he was going to take the cut he wpuld have done it by now hopefully something can be sorted I would imagine that there will come a point when Keown is prepared to take a cut. The fact that he is willing to sit on his arse and take the money wouldn't look good on his cv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One t in Scotland Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 10 hours ago, potty trained said: How do you think the 7 or 8(?) Players who took wage cuts would feel? Grateful they're still there at all after last year's 'efforts'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerrybritton9 Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 On 05/08/2018 at 12:33 PM, Thistleberight said: You still here? Yes. Yes I am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 11 hours ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: I suppose a nightmare scenario is Keown getting injured. That's the most likely scenario! He'll be out for "six weeks". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, gerrybritton9 said: Yes. Yes I am No no no, not you. I meant archie. The questions are for archie!......or, are, you archie? Eh, hi archie, didn't see you there. Yr doing a fine job, big fan etc etc Edited August 10, 2018 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 15 hours ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: I suppose a nightmare scenario is Keown getting injured. Unless he's insured... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 29 minutes ago, jagfox said: Unless he's insured... That’s a very good point, were all our long-term injured players insured? If yes were they paid by the insurers and not by the club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 1 hour ago, jagfox said: Unless he's insured... True. But if he's injured the chances of him moving on before the window closes will be greatly reduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Are there fishes in the Nolly to swim with? #ThistleMafia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, jagfox said: Are there fishes in the Nolly to swim with? #ThistleMafia As the old Billy Connolly sketch went "munchity, crunchity". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerrybritton9 Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 13 hours ago, Thistleberight said: No no no, not you. I meant archie. The questions are for archie!......or, are, you archie? Eh, hi archie, didn't see you there. Yr doing a fine job, big fan etc etc Oh I see. I misunderstood No I’m not him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 12 hours ago, gerrybritton9 said: Oh I see. I misunderstood No I’m not him Damn, i never meet anyone famous. Enjoy the game today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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