scotty Posted September 14, 2018 Report Share Posted September 14, 2018 Can't find the thread which had the discussion on this. Think it developed from some other topic, so I'll start a new one. I see Three Black Cats are holding a public consultation in Kirkintilloch on 20th September, with a view to submitting a planning application later on in 2018. Has the timetable for the development slipped somewhat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdGeneration Posted September 14, 2018 Report Share Posted September 14, 2018 "It is an exciting project and we are delighted to have secured this 26 acre site. It remains our intention to have the facility completed and operational in 2019" From the official blub, so wouldn't think it is off track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted September 15, 2018 Report Share Posted September 15, 2018 18 hours ago, scotty said: Can't find the thread which had the discussion on this. Think it developed from some other topic, so I'll start a new one. I see Three Black Cats are holding a public consultation in Kirkintilloch on 20th September, with a view to submitting a planning application later on in 2018. Has the timetable for the development slipped somewhat? Where did you see about the meeting? I recall early on when Ian Maxwell was still here he said that they would look to have the pitches in place first so it could be that by operational in July 2019 they are talking about the pitches and the other parts will follow on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted September 15, 2018 Report Share Posted September 15, 2018 19 hours ago, scotty said: I see Three Black Cats are holding a public consultation in Kirkintilloch Heard from a reliable source that two chocolate labradors and a cocker spaniel named Alec are objecting to the development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted September 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fawlty Towers said: Where did you see about the meeting? I recall early on when Ian Maxwell was still here he said that they would look to have the pitches in place first so it could be that by operational in July 2019 they are talking about the pitches and the other parts will follow on. Was posted on thistle fans facebook page. Reason I asked if things are behind is that I've no idea of timescales of planning applications. Edited September 15, 2018 by scotty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted September 15, 2018 Report Share Posted September 15, 2018 So we don’t have planning permission yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 12 hours ago, Norgethistle said: So we don’t have planning permission yet? That's correct. The current position as I understand it is that the design is all done and the suppliers, contractors are all in place so it is just a case of waiting for the thumbs up from East Dunbartonshire Council and we will be good to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Fawlty Towers said: That's correct. The current position as I understand it is that the design is all done and the suppliers, contractors are all in place so it is just a case of waiting for the thumbs up from East Dunbartonshire Council and we will be good to go. So. in short, we're at the planning equivalent of 'subject to international clearance'?? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 On 15/09/2018 at 12:29 PM, lady-isobel-barnett said: Heard from a reliable source that two chocolate labradors and a cocker spaniel named Alec are objecting to the development. I think your reliable source is barking and the Three Black Cats need to take the lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinhead Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 So we have no planning permission, let's hope this does not turn into another bing fiasco where we count the chickens before the hatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Barney Rubble said: So. in short, we're at the planning equivalent of 'subject to international clearance'?? This deserves (a) a wider audience and (b) a harder laugh react button. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 If there is anyone that knows what is normal in planning applications. Is it normal to get planning permission on land/property that you dont own ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaveOnBobbyLaw Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 It’s perfectly normal for planning permission to be subject to a number of conditions which have to be cleared to allow final permission to be granted. Public consultations and objections are also the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 22 hours ago, Fawlty Towers said: That's correct. The current position as I understand it is that the design is all done and the suppliers, contractors are all in place so it is just a case of waiting for the thumbs up from East Dunbartonshire Council and we will be good to go. Thats highly unlikely without Planning - more likely is they have a Design up to a certain Stage and a Contractor has given them budget costs based on this - after Planning they would need to go to detailed design then get finalized costing - also if Im reading correctly the Land is 26 Acres - a standard Football Pitch is 1.5 Acres - that is a lot of pitches - it will be interesting to see whats being proposed - why would you have Public Consultation for a Football Training Park - sounds odd ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayfarer Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Thats highly unlikely without Planning - more likely is they have a Design up to a certain Stage and a Contractor has given them budget costs based on this - after Planning they would need to go to detailed design then get finalized costing - also if Im reading correctly the Land is 26 Acres - a standard Football Pitch is 1.5 Acres - that is a lot of pitches - it will be interesting to see whats being proposed - why would you have Public Consultation for a Football Training Park - sounds odd ? Happy to b corrected but I think the plans are for 2/3 all weather (4G) pitches and 1 grass one (for the 1st team) which are to be done first, then the changing facilities/offices/storage will follow. The thinking was get the training pitches done first, and use Firhill for changing/admin etc. short term. The area might be 26 acres but cat see us using the whole space up initially but there is room for expansion, which I guess could include some form of community facility to sweeten the deal with the council Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleBunnet Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 The training ground will consists of 4 pitches (2 grass for 1st team, 2 artificial for academy), building (incl. changing, gym, canteen and other facilities), other artificial training areas, car park and access road. The design is complete although a couple of planning issues remain outstanding. I understand that these relate to the site entrance and are easily sorted. This is not unusual for this type of project. Facility is programmed to be in use June/July 2019, although there may still be some work still on-going to complete the project at that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashman Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Wayfarer said: Happy to b corrected but I think the plans are for 2/3 all weather (4G) pitches and 1 grass one (for the 1st team) which are to be done first, then the changing facilities/offices/storage will follow. The thinking was get the training pitches done first, and use Firhill for changing/admin etc. short term. The area might be 26 acres but cat see us using the whole space up initially but there is room for expansion, which I guess could include some form of community facility to sweeten the deal with the council Just get changed at the Leisuredrome and run them along the canal to the training ground Or for those fading in tbe latter stages of games, full run along the canal from Firhill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlgarveJag Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 23 hours ago, Lenziejag said: If there is anyone that knows what is normal in planning applications. Is it normal to get planning permission on land/property that you dont own ? You can't get permission to do anything on something you don't own but you might make detailed enquiries to ensure that nothing obvious stands in the way and the land can be zoned for the type of use and buildings that you intend to put there. You might enter into a contract of purchase that is subject to planning approval once due diligence has been performed by all parties. I'm sure the Three Black Cats and Partick Thistle are aware of the procedure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 32 minutes ago, AlgarveJag said: You can't get permission to do anything on something you don't own but you might make detailed enquiries to ensure that nothing obvious stands in the way and the land can be zoned for the type of use and buildings that you intend to put there. You might enter into a contract of purchase that is subject to planning approval once due diligence has been performed by all parties. I'm sure the Three Black Cats and Partick Thistle are aware of the procedure. Cheers AJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 6 hours ago, AlgarveJag said: You can't get permission to do anything on something you don't own but you might make detailed enquiries to ensure that nothing obvious stands in the way and the land can be zoned for the type of use and buildings that you intend to put there. You might enter into a contract of purchase that is subject to planning approval once due diligence has been performed by all parties. I'm sure the Three Black Cats and Partick Thistle are aware of the procedure. Pretty sure you can get planning permission for a property you do not own, though of course it is then up to you to secure the control of the land you need to be able to carry the project forward. As you rightly say, a purchase contract would normally be suspensively conditional on planning permission being obtained. The granting of planning permission on terms satisfactory to the purchaser would fulfil the condition and trigger completion of the purchase within a specified timescale. But it would only be on completion that title/ownership would pass, so at the point of obtaining planning permission you would not yet be owner. Although I am not a planning expert, my understanding is that there is now so much pre-consultation between applicant and local authority, that a formal planning application is not submitted until the applicant is virtually certain that it is going to be accepted. I agree with you that TBC and PTFC will be taking all the right advice and will not need you, me or anyone else to tell them how to go about it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 A bit more info here: https://www.kirkintilloch-herald.co.uk/news/plans-for-new-4m-partick-thistle-training-facility-at-kirkintilloch-1-4802022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a f kincaid Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 Yon pitch nearest the camera disnae look playable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMac Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 Can't see there being too many objections to this, I mean being next to a derelict sewage works, is probably better than being next to an active sewage works , and a football training ground is better than either. Still you can never tell for sure, it may be a problem for someone or other. Looks like awkward site to redevelop though, those old processing plants are more complex, heavily engineered and deep rooted than they first appear. The land may have been a knock down price, but the redevelopment certainly wont be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagged Edge Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 I hope they have factored in a small jetty and a couple of canoes to fish the balls out of the River Kelvin 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted September 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, AndyMac said: Can't see there being too many objections to this, I mean being next to a derelict sewage works, is probably better than being next to an active sewage works , and a football training ground is better than either. Still you can never tell for sure, it may be a problem for someone or other. Looks like awkward site to redevelop though, those old processing plants are more complex, heavily engineered and deep rooted than they first appear. The land may have been a knock down price, but the redevelopment certainly wont be. I know folk who live in the houses looking on to this area and they were expecting Cala to be building on it. Seems like Cala were trying to get planningfor houses on the old sewage works and the water treatment plant near the Liesuredrome in Bishopbriggs. They have got permission in Bishopbriggs so I guess the council only allowed them one development. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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