Gary Caldwell confirmation

[jaggy]

36 minutes ago, allyo said:

Can we stop calling him GC. It's giving me early 21st century nightmares.

Me too when I first saw the initials referenced 

[Third Lanark]

2 hours ago, HeWearsNumber9 said:

Does anyone know for sure who exactly all the players on 6 months contracts are just out of curiosity wonder who out of them GC would keep or let go of but I personally can’t recall who exactly they where bar Brice. Best of luck to Gary ,very happy with this appointment.

Brice is on a 1 year contract I’m sure

quitongo and the lad from Dundee are on 6 month contracts I think 

[Ancipital]

Quitongo, Bannigan, Scobbie, and Jeffries (the one from Dundee) are all out of contract in January.

[elevenone]

First 2 must get signed up imo.

[Auld Jag]

1 hour ago, elevenone said:

First 2 must get signed up imo.

Ran out of likes. So consider yourself liked elevenone.

[Auld Jag]

11 hours ago, Thistleberight said:

Wee baw and sabbath, you both mention deadwood. Some names please? As with most on here i've been bery disappointed with individual performances and believe many can do better. But deadwood, not convinced so would be interested to read what players you are referring to.

 

Auld jag, myself and others have mentioned many times over the past few seasons that collective fitness was an issue. Last 20 minutes in every game last season we fell away and games and/or points were lost. For me the deawood at the club is the coaching staff, the sprint and stamina and diet people havr all failed in past gew seasons and to have allowed that to go on for so long was archie's worst failing, imho.

So, if the new team manage to address stamina and fitness allied with instilling confidence and belief, this could yet turn into an excitingvl season. I would've been delighted if neilson or mccall had been captured but this could be an inspired appointment and i'm very excited by it, more exvited than iwould have been had one of that two got it.  Looking forward to Alloa game, mon jags get intaem. All the beat to gary and brian welcome on board thr scaryhill express. We've a great future ahead what with financial security and new training complex

I feel we have a decent squad who should be higher up than 8th in the Championship. So hopefully a new manager should be able to turn them around and see us climbing the table.If not the players we have are not as good as I think.

[Lambies Lost Doo]

How can anyone try to compare recruitment in the real world versus football?  References and cv's for call centres/tradesmen/law etc versus the madness of football based on emotion, gut feeling, BS, supporters etc etc.

[Weebaw1]

17 minutes ago, Auld Jag said:

I feel we have a decent squad who should be higher up than 8th in the Championship. So hopefully a new manager should be able to turn them around and see us climbing the table.If not the players we have are not as good as I think.

The Chesterfield fans are hurting. Just like us. So we perhaps shouldn’t read too much into their Caldwell comments.

Ive watched the Jags for a season and a half being rank rotten. No fight, skill or entertainment. I don’t think anyone would disagree with this.

Of course, we’ve been badly managed. But the players let Arcnie and us down dreadfully. We’ve paid our money and watched dross nearly every week, with no sign of matters improving. I haven’t seen a good team in our league yet, and we’re 3rd bottom! So nobody’s going to tell me we only need to lose 1 or 2.

Some dead wood (and stinking eggs )were cleared out. But we have signed more over the summer and we have retained some rubbish from last year which continues to affect performances.

I hope Caldwell can use Doolan (who is corrrectly a hero and not in the dead wood category)to good effect because he has been awful and not worth persevering with on current form. A test for the new boss for sure.

Ntambwe, Storer, Spittal, Storey,Keown. In my opinion these people are liabilities and should be dispatched ASAP. The last 3 were implicit in our relegation and also in our bad start. The 1st 2 have contributed zero.

The jury is out on Elliot, Melbourne, Slater, Gordon, Bell, Mutumbu, There’s long enough till the transfer window for the new manager to assess and fit any of these into a new system if he can. Hopefully he can improve their performances. But I suspect he’ll want to get rid of most of them.

I would like to retain all the others, not many left but building a new team is required sooner rather than later to halt the inexorable slide to relegation. I’ve seen it all before as have many others.

Banzo and Quitongo to be signed up right away please!

I agree that the future is bright but only with strong, sensible management.

 

 

 

[lady-isobel-barnett]

30 minutes ago, Weebaw1 said:

Banzo and Quitongo to be signed up right away please!

I agree that the future is bright but only with strong, sensible management.

Rather a contradiction in terms there. Strong sensible management and listening to yours, mine or anyone else's unqualified suggestions are at complete variance. Whilst I don't believe Caldwell is been given the time to build his own team I'd hope he was allowed the freedom and latitude to get past the January transfer window. 

[Weebaw1]

22 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said:

Rather a contradiction in terms there. Strong sensible management and listening to yours, mine or anyone else's unqualified suggestions are at complete variance. Whilst I don't believe Caldwell is been given the time to build his own team I'd hope he was allowed the freedom and latitude to get past the January transfer window. 

Haha. I quite agree. 

Its our unqualified opinions that make this forum. I’d be the worst manager of all time.

But we all share the passion, pain and (occasional)pleasure.

[lady-isobel-barnett]

6 minutes ago, Weebaw1 said:

Haha. I quite agree. 

Its our unqualified opinions that make this forum. I’d be the worst manager of all time.

But we all share the passion, pain and (occasional)pleasure.

 

On a completely different matter not appointing Jim McIntyre could have an added bonus. He's got the Dundee gig, something I doubt will be exactly met with mass approval by the Dens support. If however he's daft enough to bring along his sidekick, Mr Dodds,  then I can foresee all kinds of fans seethe up there. Doesn't affect us one way or the other but a wee bit schadenfreude is good for the soul.

[laukat]

Very strange move for McIntyre and for Dundee. Dundee look like they've panicked and went with the first available manager with recent SPL management experience without looking at what type of manager they have appointed.

McIntyre looks like he's jumped for the first SPL club to offer him a position without looking at his chance of success or what failure would do to his future prospects. Add in that Billy Dodds almost liquidated the club and now could be their assistant manager and it has the potential for some grade 'A' banter!

 

 

[Very Bitter Jag]

59 minutes ago, laukat said:

Add in that Billy Dodds almost liquidated the club and now could be their assistant manager and it has the potential for some grade 'A' banter!

Whats the story here? It rings a bell but can't remember the details. 

[dibble]

I do wonder if McIntyre pulled his thistle application after being tipped off about Dundee job.

[Third Lanark]

3 hours ago, Weebaw1 said:

The Chesterfield fans are hurting. Just like us. So we perhaps shouldn’t read too much into their Caldwell comments.

Ive watched the Jags for a season and a half being rank rotten. No fight, skill or entertainment. I don’t think anyone would disagree with this.

Of course, we’ve been badly managed. But the players let Arcnie and us down dreadfully. We’ve paid our money and watched dross nearly every week, with no sign of matters improving. I haven’t seen a good team in our league yet, and we’re 3rd bottom! So nobody’s going to tell me we only need to lose 1 or 2.

Some dead wood (and stinking eggs )were cleared out. But we have signed more over the summer and we have retained some rubbish from last year which continues to affect performances.

I hope Caldwell can use Doolan (who is corrrectly a hero and not in the dead wood category)to good effect because he has been awful and not worth persevering with on current form. A test for the new boss for sure.

Ntambwe, Storer, Spittal, Storey,Keown. In my opinion these people are liabilities and should be dispatched ASAP. The last 3 were implicit in our relegation and also in our bad start. The 1st 2 have contributed zero.

The jury is out on Elliot, Melbourne, Slater, Gordon, Bell, Mutumbu, There’s long enough till the transfer window for the new manager to assess and fit any of these into a new system if he can. Hopefully he can improve their performances. But I suspect he’ll want to get rid of most of them.

I would like to retain all the others, not many left but building a new team is required sooner rather than later to halt the inexorable slide to relegation. I’ve seen it all before as have many others.

Banzo and Quitongo to be signed up right away please!

I agree that the future is bright but only with strong, sensible management.

 

 

 

Spittal was one of our top scorers last season how on earth can you blame him for relegation when several more experienced players including the captain didn’t try a leg- and is he not one of our higher scorers this season with more goals than Doolan? He’s a young player and I think confidence has been his problem hopefully the new manager is the man to give him that confidence- there’s definitely a player in there

[laukat]

26 minutes ago, Bitter Jag said:

Whats the story here? It rings a bell but can't remember the details. 

When Dundee went into Administration Dodds an Gordon Chisholm were owed money. Both refused the CVA on offer as they wanted paid in full or a larger percentage of what was owed which they felt would have been better achieved by the club being liquidated.

[laukat]

6 minutes ago, Third Lanark said:

He’s a young player and I think confidence has been his problem hopefully the new manager is the man to give him that confidence- there’s definitely a player in there

I think the frustration with Spittal is for a few reasons.

Defending is not really his string point so he's mainly on the pitch to create or score and I think Archie saw him as Erskine's replacement in a number 10 role. He has some of the attributes required to be a game changing player in that he clearly has a decent delivery on him for free-kicks, corner kicks and crosses but he's became so unreliable that he no longer takes corner kicks and for a dead ball specialist doesn't get enough of his free-kicks on target. His crossing from open play is not great and for a young guy he doesn't seem to have the pace or skill to go past a defender. 

Last season he scored 6 of his 7 goals before the end of September and really started to struggle by the time the winter kicked in. Obviously he was playing in a poorer team last year so there are other reasons for the goals drying up but he also had some real defensive clangers such as giving the ball away on the edge of the box too often (Rangers at home, Livi at home spring to mind)

The Dundee United fans weren't too fussed about him leaving largely because he would produce 1 good game for every 4 or 5 bad ones. He's now almost 23 and he's still has most of the same problems so how much longer do you give him? To me this season is make or break for him

[Third Lanark]

9 hours ago, laukat said:

I think the frustration with Spittal is for a few reasons.

Defending is not really his string point so he's mainly on the pitch to create or score and I think Archie saw him as Erskine's replacement in a number 10 role. He has some of the attributes required to be a game changing player in that he clearly has a decent delivery on him for free-kicks, corner kicks and crosses but he's became so unreliable that he no longer takes corner kicks and for a dead ball specialist doesn't get enough of his free-kicks on target. His crossing from open play is not great and for a young guy he doesn't seem to have the pace or skill to go past a defender. 

Last season he scored 6 of his 7 goals before the end of September and really started to struggle by the time the winter kicked in. Obviously he was playing in a poorer team last year so there are other reasons for the goals drying up but he also had some real defensive clangers such as giving the ball away on the edge of the box too often (Rangers at home, Livi at home spring to mind)

The Dundee United fans weren't too fussed about him leaving largely because he would produce 1 good game for every 4 or 5 bad ones. He's now almost 23 and he's still has most of the same problems so how much longer do you give him? To me this season is make or break for him

I completely agree this season is make or break for him therefore he deserves till the end of the season. However he’s not alone as arguably this is season is make or break for a number of players - banzo are his injury woes completely behind him, Elliott(spent much of the last season injured and has not contributed at all this season, despite being here 7 years still struggles to deliver a proper cross) Storey etc all these guys are out of contract and thus far Spittal has contributed a lot more than storey when it comes to goals, assists etc (though that might not be saying too much)

[jaggy]

10 hours ago, dibble said:

I do wonder if McIntyre pulled his thistle application after being tipped off about Dundee job.

I thought that as well, but also wondered if he actually applied for our job? I don't think any of us know who the actual candidates were, apart from Jim Duffy

[Third Lanark]

40 minutes ago, jaggy said:

I thought that as well, but also wondered if he actually applied for our job? I don't think any of us know who the actual candidates were, apart from Jim Duffy

Or maybe he applied and we didn’t want him, as imo he is not that great a manager. Granted we do not know how Caldwell will do but I am far more enthused about his appointment than I would have been if McIntyre has got the post

[jaggy]

14 minutes ago, Third Lanark said:

Or maybe he applied and we didn’t want him, as imo he is not that great a manager. Granted we do not know how Caldwell will do but I am far more enthused about his appointment than I would have been if McIntyre has got the post

me too

[Guest]

Re the clubs comments on caldwells time at Chesterfield. I get the point made by a few on here that perhaps it was  ill judged but, are we saying the club aren't allowed to make comment on such matters, even if the source is our new manager. I do hope not and would have preferred the comment by our club to have remained. It's an opinion, no more, no less, whether it is single source based or not.

Perhaps it was remived to avoid legal remedy by chersterfield to sooth their bruised ego. If so fine. Who beyond our respective clubs cares. None is my guess.

Reading between the lines our new manager believes his percieved failure at that club was caused by the owners and the owners believe different. 

Lets hope a f kincaid is right. I hope gary has some fun filled successful times with us, gets us promoted, wins a cup, qualifies for europa cup, takes us to the final and is whisked away from us by manchester united due to his success............

[lady-isobel-barnett]

https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/sport/football/chesterfield-fc/partick-thistle-remove-claim-about-caldwell-spell-after-chesterfield-complaint-1-9401527

[fenski]

27 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said:

https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/sport/football/chesterfield-fc/partick-thistle-remove-claim-about-caldwell-spell-after-chesterfield-complaint-1-9401527

Storm in a teacup. And if Chesterfield really did threaten legal action then hell mend them. Their board must be very thin skinned...

[Guest]

18 hours ago, Weebaw1 said:

The Chesterfield fans are hurting. Just like us. So we perhaps shouldn’t read too much into their Caldwell comments.

Ive watched the Jags for a season and a half being rank rotten. No fight, skill or entertainment. I don’t think anyone would disagree with this.

Of course, we’ve been badly managed. But the players let Arcnie and us down dreadfully. We’ve paid our money and watched dross nearly every week, with no sign of matters improving. I haven’t seen a good team in our league yet, and we’re 3rd bottom! So nobody’s going to tell me we only need to lose 1 or 2.

Some dead wood (and stinking eggs )were cleared out. But we have signed more over the summer and we have retained some rubbish from last year which continues to affect performances.

I hope Caldwell can use Doolan (who is corrrectly a hero and not in the dead wood category)to good effect because he has been awful and not worth persevering with on current form. A test for the new boss for sure.

Ntambwe, Storer, Spittal, Storey,Keown. In my opinion these people are liabilities and should be dispatched ASAP. The last 3 were implicit in our relegation and also in our bad start. The 1st 2 have contributed zero.

The jury is out on Elliot, Melbourne, Slater, Gordon, Bell, Mutumbu, There’s long enough till the transfer window for the new manager to assess and fit any of these into a new system if he can. Hopefully he can improve their performances. But I suspect he’ll want to get rid of most of them.

I would like to retain all the others, not many left but building a new team is required sooner rather than later to halt the inexorable slide to relegation. I’ve seen it all before as have many others.

Banzo and Quitongo to be signed up right away please!

I agree that the future is bright but only with strong, sensible management.

 

 

 

Your first two have hardly played so unless you've been sneeking into other clubs games befor they came.............you two timer you. They need to play before we can judge, surely.

The rest you say the jury is out so fair enough comment there and for what it is worth i agree but can i assume you don't have any "dead wood". My point being that the obvious dead wood was got rid of close season bar keown who i would argue is beginning to come on to his game. Small shoots but he is showing improvement.