Third Lanark Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Ray McKinnon must be rubbing his hands with glee at the arguing going on between erskine and Caldwell alleged or otherwise. While I get the impression some fans almost want it to have happened to get some point scoring at Caldwell. if he losers the next 3 games then he has to go for me but that will be about what has happened on the football field not what may or not have been said to a player in training 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Passenger Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, jaf said: You are right no one can say for certain what is happening behind the scenes. If your speculation number one is correct, then why would the club allow him to speak to another club (especially if in our division) if they wanted to keep him? If your speculation number two is correct, why would the club be so happy for him to stay? The statement contradicts both of your scenarios. Scenario one - Chris is free to speak to other clubs, right? Can the club realistically stop him? Scenario two - They're waiting for him to tuck his lip in and play the role that's been asked of him. Edited January 8, 2019 by Dark Passenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 hours ago, watties wallies said: this 100% we all know that Gary has a nose bleed anytime he crosses the halfway line 18 month contract? still can't get my head round that one what's happening at firhill ? let's see what happens on saturday, let's see if erskine makes the squad what a shambles ! Harkins May have different opinions about him at other clubs but presently I cannot complain about him any time as a Partick Thistle player. If it wasn’t for the money we received for Gary Harkins in 2009 who incidentally did not want to leave its very likely that there would not be a Partick Thistle now due to the debts and bills which the then board had not been able to pay. better to actually wait for him to put in a bad performance before actually making him a scapegoat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dark Passenger said: And what if the manager doesn't want Chris out, but Chris isn't happy with the role he's been asked to play and chooses to leave? Playing devils advocate, what if the manager sees Chris as a disruptive influence? Can anyone here say they know for certain what's going on behind the scenes? No, but it's much easier to polish the halo of a club legend while vilifying the guy that replaced another club legend. Agree that nobody on this forum is likely to know the real reason behind this. Let's face it though Mr Advocate - if Caldwell views Erskine of all people as a disruptive influence then the likelihood is that he's not an effective manager of people in the first place. Irrespective of whom he replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dark Passenger said: Scenario one - Chris is free to speak to other clubs, right? Can the club realistically stop him? Scenario two - They're waiting for him to tuck his lip in and play the role that's been asked of him. Fair enough - we can interpret all these things either way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 51 minutes ago, Vinnyjag said: Agree, but as Squiddy has only 6 months of his contract left the club can’t stop him speaking to other clubs. Also if he goes to another club now we could ask for a fee. Or if he goes to Ayr ask for shankland ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 26 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: As I said earlier, if it's the case that Caldwell wants Erskine out, then he can precede him out of the door. So if someone offered £1m for him you would say no ? Naw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 34 minutes ago, javeajag said: Jesus start a rumour get the facts get annoyed erskine wanted to speak to a club that expressed an interest and the manager is st fault ?! So what ARE the actual facts? And how do you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, javeajag said: So if someone offered £1m for him you would say no ? Naw Behave yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, sandy said: So what ARE the actual facts? And how do you know? The facts are that no one knows all the facts except the club has put out a statement .... and given the opportunity to speak to another club erskine did ..., loyalty ? were in danger of turning a player who has been decidedly average for over a year into messi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Barney Rubble said: Behave yourself. You stated we should put out a statement saying erskine can never leave which is patent nonsense as every player has a price ... £100k for him.... sold ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydebankJag Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 The club were free to reject the approach and end it there and then, without a Erskine or the fans knowing about it. Given they were receptive to the approach Erskine would be stupid not to consider the offer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, javeajag said: The facts are that no one knows all the facts except the club has put out a statement .... and given the opportunity to speak to another club erskine did ..., loyalty ? were in danger of turning a player who has been decidedly average for over a year into messi If Caldwell valued Erskine, the Club could have stopped the enquiry dead in its tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, javeajag said: The facts are that no one knows all the facts except the club has put out a statement .... and given the opportunity to speak to another club erskine did ..., loyalty ? were in danger of turning a player who has been decidedly average for over a year into messi Wish Caldwell would do that with Storey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, ClydebankJag said: The club were free to reject the approach and end it there and then, without a Erskine or the fans knowing about it. Given they were receptive to the approach Erskine would be stupid not to consider the offer. He has only six months left in his contract the club cannot stop him talking to other clubs either to leave now or sign a pre contract agreement ... as he did before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, sandy said: If Caldwell valued Erskine, the Club could have stopped the enquiry dead in its tracks. He is out if contract in the summer and free to talk to other clubs the club cannot prevent this ....just like he did with Dundee Utd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: Wish Caldwell would do that with Storey. No one can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, javeajag said: He is out if contract in the summer and free to talk to other clubs the club cannot prevent this ....just like he did with Dundee Utd And if Caldwell valued Erskine, he’d be preparing a contract extension! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, sandy said: If Caldwell valued Erskine, the Club could have stopped the enquiry dead in its tracks. I value erskine but hypothetically if we wanted shankland and erskine was part of the deal then I could see why we would take it - not that’s there’s substance to that rumour but I guess hypothetically we don’t know if there is an exchange of players or substantial players involved- then again maybe not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, sandy said: And if Caldwell valued Erskine, he’d be preparing a contract extension! No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, javeajag said: You stated we should put out a statement saying erskine can never leave which is patent nonsense as every player has a price ... £100k for him.... sold ! I said that the club statement - if any - should be that Partick Thistle have no interest in losing the services of Chris Erskine under any circumstances and irrespective of any enquiries. It did not imply that Chris Erskine can never leave. So again, behave yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Barney Rubble said: I said that the club statement - if any - should be that Partick Thistle have no interest in losing the services of Chris Erskine under any circumstances and irrespective of any enquiries. It did not imply that Chris Erskine can never leave. So again, behave yourself. I think it does imply using a philosophical absolute - never a good thing to do - we would never let him go if we can avoid it .... under any circumstances ? If someone offered good money he can go imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydebankJag Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, javeajag said: He is out if contract in the summer and free to talk to other clubs the club cannot prevent this ....just like he did with Dundee Utd Yeah but they can’t enter into talks about an immediate move without the clubs permission. Given that the club were first and foremost receptive to an immediate move I say again that Erskine would have been foolish not to enter into talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 53 minutes ago, eljaggo said: You read it wrongly JJ. There is no formal inquiry - it was a formal enquiry from the other club. Sorry - thats what I meant - but you tend not to discuss approaches ref a Player in public ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, javeajag said: I think it does imply using a philosophical absolute - never a good thing to do - we would never let him go if we can avoid it .... under any circumstances ? If someone offered good money he can go imo Of course if telephone figures come in as an offer then fair enough, but honestly how realistic is that? And what would those telephone figures have to be to make it worthwhile? Anyway, as an aside it's encouraging to see this forum so animated on a Tuesday night. Good to see some real debate on here for the first time in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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