State of Play

[sandy]

3 minutes ago, Dark Passenger said:

State of this.

State of your hair, mate.

I look forward to hearing how much you will put into Thistle next season. Money where yer mouth is...

Edited May 26, 2019 by sandy

[lady-isobel-barnett]

53 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said:

No idea what your point is from that post.

The point of competing is to win promotion, not to make money.

Aye, sorry. Wasn't really meant to come over like that. Simply musing as to what would've been the better result for us today. I for one haven't a clue and I guess a question mark would've come in handy in my post.

[Dark Passenger]

9 minutes ago, sandy said:

I look forward to hearing how much you will put into Thistle next season. Money where yer mouth is...

Go on, you're clearly dying to remind us of the THOUSANDS of pounds you ploughed into the club, you tiresome b*wbag. 

Making up for being a Johnny-come-lately? Must make it easier to turn your back on the club, I suppose.

Edited May 26, 2019 by Dark Passenger

[Auld Jag]

When Jack Ross took over at St. Mirren, he struggled until the January window, they just stayed up and then won automatic promotion the next season. Lets hope Thistle can do that .

[Lenziejag]

4 hours ago, Woodstock Jag said:

The point is that although they will rarely be used every team should have a substitute specialist goalkeeper. They should to do to avoid ruining the competitiveness of games if goalkeepers get injured and to make it less common to force goalkeepers to tough it out, aggravating their injuries in a game.

Since this is the case, it makes sense to assume that a squad needs more than simply 14 players, since in the majority of games it will be sensible to use three substitutes, none of whom are goalkeepers, whilst having the option of a goalkeeper on the bench if something goes wrong.

Who decided that the 3 subs used should be outfield players. What was the timeline and justification for a) introducing a substitute in the 1st place and b) the incremental increases of numbers on the bench and allowed to be used.

I am struggling with the premise made by Firhillista that because there are 7 places allowed on the bench, then the minimum squad size should be 18. If the authorities increased the places to 10 with no additional subs allowed does that mean the minimum squad size should be 21 ?

Of course 14 is too few. The minimum needs to allow for injuries and suspensions.

[Firhillista]

10 hours ago, Lenziejag said:

Who decided that the 3 subs used should be outfield players. What was the timeline and justification for a) introducing a substitute in the 1st place and b) the incremental increases of numbers on the bench and allowed to be used.

I am struggling with the premise made by Firhillista that because there are 7 places allowed on the bench, then the minimum squad size should be 18. If the authorities increased the places to 10 with no additional subs allowed does that mean the minimum squad size should be 21 ?

Of course 14 is too few. The minimum needs to allow for injuries and suspensions.

I'm struggling with why people are struggling with this! Six substitutes are allowed, one will conventionally be a goalkeeper and the remaining six outfield players, half of whom will be brought on during the game at the discretion of the manager to replace injured/tiring players or to attempt to make an advantageous tactical difference. Three from six gives a degree of flexibility, so, crudely, you have two defenders, two midfielders and two attackers. Why would Thistle want to give up the flexibility this system brings, simply to have players available for a reserve team? My original point was that, unless you can afford to pay for a squad numbering in the upper twenties, reserve football seems a little pointless.

I expect we'll run with a squad of around twenty. So, about seven still to come in.

[a f kincaid]

18 hours ago, partickthedog said:

That's a fantastic list, thank you. I see that Ledgerwood had to come off on 7 occasions, so that might have been a bit of a concern. Would the likes of McGowan and Harvey who each had 3 stints in goal have been given special goalkeeper style training as there was at least an appreciable risk that they might have to step up now and again?

I am absolutely certain that Albert Craig played in goal against Stenhousemuir at Ochilview. It was near the end of the second of our three seasons in the third tier, ie the season before our promotion under Lambie.  Perhaps it was a temporary role, while the principal goalkeeper recovered from injury, but then returned, which is why it is not in your stats.

Can't answer your first point PTD but you're absolutely correct on the 2nd.  Budinaukas twisted his ankle just before h-t away to Stenhousemuir 22/4/2000 and was stretchered off. Craig went into goal and shipped a couple of goals in the 2nd half.  Lambie was quoted as saying Bud would have saved them.  Well remembered.  Will try to do better!

Incidentally, IIRC I think it was Thistle that actually tabled the motion at a SFA (?) AGM that clubs had to have goalkeepers on the bench.  Not sure when that was however but it adopted.

 

[partickthedog]

2 hours ago, a f kincaid said:

Can't answer your first point PTD but you're absolutely correct on the 2nd.  Budinaukas twisted his ankle just before h-t away to Stenhousemuir 22/4/2000 and was stretchered off. Craig went into goal and shipped a couple of goals in the 2nd half.  Lambie was quoted as saying Bud would have saved them.  Well remembered.  Will try to do better!

Incidentally, IIRC I think it was Thistle that actually tabled the motion at a SFA (?) AGM that clubs had to have goalkeepers on the bench.  Not sure when that was however but it adopted.

 

Thank you AFK. Always better at remembering these little details from away games. Presumably because you go to the ground less often, what happens there sticks longer.

Totally unrelated and apologies for going off topic but my best memory from Ochilview was the usual tannoy call for the owner of car 123XXX  to return to his vehicle, and a steward leaving to great applause.

[scotty]

9 hours ago, Firhillista said:

I'm struggling with why people are struggling with this! Six substitutes are allowed, one will conventionally be a goalkeeper and the remaining six outfield players, half of whom will be brought on during the game at the discretion of the manager to replace injured/tiring players or to attempt to make an advantageous tactical difference. Three from six gives a degree of flexibility, so, crudely, you have two defenders, two midfielders and two attackers. Why would Thistle want to give up the flexibility this system brings, simply to have players available for a reserve team? My original point was that, unless you can afford to pay for a squad numbering in the upper twenties, reserve football seems a little pointless.

I expect we'll run with a squad of around twenty. So, about seven still to come in.

I'm still struggling with the arithmetic.

[jagfox]

6 hours ago, partickthedog said:

Thank you AFK. Always better at remembering these little details from away games. Presumably because you go to the ground less often, what happens there sticks longer.

Totally unrelated and apologies for going off topic but my best memory from Ochilview was the usual tannoy call for the owner of car 123XXX  to return to his vehicle, and a steward leaving to great applause.

That happened to me at New Bayview back in 1999 

[Guest]

On 5/26/2019 at 6:01 PM, sandy said:

Haha, a brief interloping interlude from me, TBR! St Mirren did the Jags proud by keeping the Tangerines down.

Meanwhile we shoot ourselves in the foot by getting the rid of good people like RQ who had built up a network for Club income.  What has our Club become? A team that has to play the Bunnet next season...

There are still the naysayers sandy, time will tell. The sad thing is that even if GC is successful, and I'm sure for the sake of our club we all want that, but this individual has changed the club so much. I think someone else called him a Johnny come lately, he's and jlow,  in the door 2 minutes and bam, change. Now change is not always a bad thing, and that's what I mean, if it bring success then happy days, but for us old times it's success at what cost.

[javeajag]

Dean Watson Luke Scullion Andrew Rodden.....joining the club from the academy on two year deals 

[Garscube Road End]

57 minutes ago, javeajag said:

Dean Watson Luke Scullion Andrew Rodden.....joining the club from the academy on two year deals 

Great to see that.

[Guest]

Delighted to read the above. I get the impression that GC is a grumpy bu@@er and would be hard to please so I'm thinking these players will be capable. I wonder if anyone on here has seen them play in the development games and can give us an insight.

[jagfox]

From the PTFC Trust statement: “The Manager was pleased that the budget made available by the Board will enable a competitive squad of between 20 and 24 players to be assembled.”

[jlsarmy]

9 hours ago, javeajag said:

Dean Watson Luke Scullion Andrew Rodden.....joining the club from the academy on two year deals 

Andrew Rodden shouldn’t be far away from first team football, scored some good goals in the 18s

Good option to have as you could move Penrice into a midfield role and you’ve got a ready made replacement in Rodden at left back 

[javeajag]

2 hours ago, jagfox said:

From the PTFC Trust statement: “The Manager was pleased that the budget made available by the Board will enable a competitive squad of between 20 and 24 players to be assembled.”

So if you add in the three academy lads we are still looking for 5-8 players ? 

[jagfox]

10 hours ago, javeajag said:

So if you add in the three academy lads we are still looking for 5-8 players ? 

Not sure if these three would be part of that 24? Find out soon enough lol

[Garscube Road End]

On 5/26/2019 at 8:59 PM, Auld Jag said:

When Jack Ross took over at St. Mirren, he struggled until the January window, they just stayed up and then won automatic promotion the next season. Lets hope Thistle can do that .

I dont think you can compare Caldwell with Ross.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Garscube Road End said:

I dont think you can compare Caldwell with Ross.

I can't of course speak for @Auld Jag but I took from his post that he was speaking about our clubs circumstances as opposed to the respective managers. 

Was it perhaps that st Mirren fans absolutely hated Ross for the last part of his first season and the fact that he managed to turn around the team from near relegation to league winners?

[Garscube Road End]

41 minutes ago, Thistleberight said:

I can't of course speak for @Auld Jag but I took from his post that he was speaking about our clubs circumstances as opposed to the respective managers. 

Was it perhaps that st Mirren fans absolutely hated Ross for the last part of his first season and the fact that he managed to turn around the team from near relegation to league winners?

I definitely see what Auld Jag is getting at, but I personally don't think Caldwell is as near as good as Ross as a manager.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Garscube Road End said:

I definitely see what Auld Jag is getting at, but I personally don't think Caldwell is as near as good as Ross as a manager.

No arguement from me. Work in progress

[Auld Jag]

9 hours ago, Thistleberight said:

I can't of course speak for @Auld Jag but I took from his post that he was speaking about our clubs circumstances as opposed to the respective managers. 

Was it perhaps that st Mirren fans absolutely hated Ross for the last part of his first season and the fact that he managed to turn around the team from near relegation to league winners?

Spot on Thistleberight. I  hope Caldwell can do something similar.

[the saint]

15 hours ago, Garscube Road End said:

I definitely see what Auld Jag is getting at, but I personally don't think Caldwell is as near as good as Ross as a manager.

What is this based on??

[Big Col]

5 hours ago, the saint said:

What is this based on??

For starters, Ross doesn’t have any relegations in his CV.