New Owner

[Jordanhill Jag]

33 minutes ago, Dark Passenger said:

Partick Thistle is not dying. This is pure hyperbole from someone who appears to have an irrational hatred of the current board.

You said yesterday that we're currently a plaything, but neglected to confirm who you believe is toying with us. What would we be to a foreign billionaire other than that?

Show me where there is something that indicates we are not suffering a slow death - we are going no where - No Plan - No investment - lots of PR - but nothing of substance - I dont know the current Board enough to hate them - do I think they will drive the Club forward - No - Im I fed up with the PR Spin - Yes - so we will see - if the takeover as suggested happens there is the possibilty of investment and proffessional management - I welcome that - as for irrational - Ive responded to statements by the Club - one of the Main ones that Kirkintulloch was unlikely to happen - when the Club were stating it would be ready for June - so lets see who calls it right 

[Dark Passenger]

21 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

as for irrational - Ive responded to statements by the Club - one of the Main ones that Kirkintulloch was unlikely to happen - when the Club were stating it would be ready for June - so lets see who calls it right 

This is what it boils down to with you, isn't it? A game of one-upmanship.

Again, you're sidestepping the plaything issue. Who do you think is treating us as a toy and why do you think a billionaire owner would treat us any differently?

And a few other questions...members of the consortium have been meeting fans behind the scenes. Are you one of them? Have details of those discussions been shared with you? And do you have anything to gain - a seat on the board, for example - if the takeover goes through?

Edited June 21, 2019 by Dark Passenger

[Jordanhill Jag]

On 6/21/2019 at 11:05 AM, Dark Passenger said:

This is what it boils down to with you, isn't it? A game of one-upmanship.

Again, you're sidestepping the plaything issue. Who do you think is treating us as a toy and why do you think a billionaire owner would treat us any differently?

And a few other questions...members of the consortium have been meeting fans behind the scenes. Are you one of them? Have details of those discussions been shared with you? And do you have anything to gain - a seat on the board, for example - if the takeover goes through.

Nope - its simply a case of pointing out that rather than good solid management we get PR 

The track record of the potential New Owner is to invest and  drive the Club forward 

Im not aware of anyone being offered things like Seats on the Board -nor have I met with any consortium  - its you thats saying there is one - not me 

 

 

Edited June 22, 2019 by Jordanhill Jag

[sandbank boy]

1 hour ago, javeajag said:

According to a filing at companies house Gerry Britton was yesterday appointed company secretary to replace David Kelly .....no idea if this is significant 

Not uncommon in certain businesses. Alter your position/responsibility - increase your salary  ( on paper) , thereby enhancing any payoff if there is a takeover coming your way.

[laukat]

1 hour ago, p12tfc said:

Could this be why transfers in have been slow?

That was my thought. I think we'll be changing transfer strategy and be getting a couple Barnsley or Nice youngsters on loan.

I suspect the model our new owner in waiting will want is for Thistle to become a development team for talent in Nice or Barnsley to help secure transfer fee's into the English Premier/Championship or to the arsecheeks.

I can't see any other way of making money off us in the quantity that would interest someone with that amount of wealth. I'm not sure this is good for us as if it doesn't work how do they get their money back if it doesn't work the way they expect?

This would be of concern https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2019/ogc-nice-chien-lee-the-mysterious-e22m-december-2018-loan/

It could also be interesting if this is the case to see how it fits with Caldwell's approach which is largely experienced pro's with what he calls a winners attitude

[Jag]

3 minutes ago, laukat said:

That was my thought. I think we'll be changing transfer strategy and be getting a couple Barnsley or Nice youngsters on loan.

I suspect the model our new owner in waiting will want is for Thistle to become a development team for talent in Nice or Barnsley to help secure transfer fee's into the English Premier/Championship or to the arsecheeks.

I can't see any other way of making money off us in the quantity that would interest someone with that amount of wealth. I'm not sure this is good for us as if it doesn't work how do they get their money back if it doesn't work the way they expect?

This would be of concern https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2019/ogc-nice-chien-lee-the-mysterious-e22m-december-2018-loan/

It could also be interesting if this is the case to see how it fits with Caldwell's approach which is largely experienced pro's with what he calls a winners attitude

From what I've been told Caldwell won't be fitting in.

This is the bit I am yet to be convinced by.

[laukat]

1 minute ago, Jag said:

From what I've been told Caldwell won't be fitting in.

This is the bit I am yet to be convinced by.

Conversely it would make sense that Caldwell left if the new owner is to come in and take forward the approach he has at Barnsley and Nice.

If Caldwell was to go based on what Barnsley and Nice do I suspect we would be hire a coach (probably european) who is there to improve whatever players the owner decides to give him,

[javeajag]

6 minutes ago, Jag said:

From what I've been told Caldwell won't be fitting in.

This is the bit I am yet to be convinced by.

You seem to be in the know .....what can you tell us 

[mad-jag]

I can t help feelign this story might just end in the same way this did:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12202426.ska-singer-sees-hope-for-thistle/

A big part of me would love to see a serious (and responsible!) investor come in and build a stronger club over a few seasons. 

There is another part of me that says we would be selling our footballing soul for a short term roll of a dice, whcih history shows is unlikely to amount to anything, and if we do have a few successful seasons (say Europe) we will almost certainly catastrophically implode shortly afterwards.

If anyone is going to throw a bit of money about, it needs to be sustainable, and not contingent on a single person/couple fo people, who could up sticks at any time. What has really impressed me about the way the Weirs' money has been used, is that is has been done this way.

We are too small to have a sugar daddy play a game for 2 or 3 years and then get bored - we would simply go bust. It needs to be planned investment, over a mid-term period, with a plan of self-financing along the way. Anything other than that is equivalent to going out, having a belter of a night getting massively pissed, going on a winning at the casino, then losing it all in a taxi on the way home and having a 2-day hangover.

[lady-isobel-barnett]

2 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

Stevie Wonder could have seen Kirkie wasnt happening

Signed, sealed but not delivered?

[Jag]

1 hour ago, javeajag said:

You seem to be in the know .....what can you tell us 

I've been getting similar snippets like a lot of people have been but I was told  that it will be a total clear out of current board and  management. We will have a new head coach in place and he, as Laukat has suggested above, will be European.

This is the bit that worries me more than anything. No Knowledge of the league, or Scottish game in general and the  season just about to start. I actually think it would make sense for them to keep Caldwell, should the takeover go ahead.

I was also told that it wasn't signed deal yet but everything agreed and in place. That may have changed in last 24 hours but I would imagine as soon as it all goes through we will all know about it.

Until we have official confirmation, It is, of course, speculation. However, everything I have been told until now seems to be true.

[Dark Passenger]

On 6/20/2019 at 12:38 PM, Jordanhill Jag said:

I have never said it was happening ...I have no more knowledge as to the accuracy of the rumour than anyone else - however Im hearing that people are recieving denials by DM on Twitter - if its untrue the Club should simply say that on Twitter - if they are going to take the bother to DM people - just tell everyone - as opposed to the Wee Groupies on Twitter     

How many people have you privately messaged claiming that the move was prompted by existing shareholders due to concerns over the board's performance, specifically in regard to operating losses? How can you have the gall to post the quoted text when you're conducting your own whispering campaign?

[sandbank boy]

15 minutes ago, Jag said:

I've been getting similar snippets like a lot of people have been but I was told  that it will be a total clear out of current board and  management. We will have a new head coach in place and he, as Laukat has suggested above, will be European.

This is the bit that worries me more than anything. No Knowledge of the league, or Scottish game in general and the  season just about to start. I actually think it would make sense for them to keep Caldwell, should the takeover go ahead.

I was also told that it wasn't signed deal yet but everything agreed and in place. That may have changed in last 24 hours but I would imagine as soon as it all goes through we will all know about it.

Until we have official confirmation, It is, of course, speculation. However, everything I have been told until now seems to be true.

Current Board and management haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory have they?

if this is to go ahead and those concerned are genuine, then overall I think this would be good for us.

[JAGSMAN1968]

Not got a good feeling about all this! Just remembering what happened at Hearts, Livingstone, Dundee and Gretna. Didn't turn out well for them.

[Jordanhill Jag]

20 minutes ago, Dark Passenger said:

How many people have you privately messaged claiming that the move was prompted by existing shareholders due to concerns over the board's performance, specifically in regard to operating losses? How can you have the gall to post the quoted text when you're conducting your own whispering campaign?

Ok wow - thats a big accusation - first any change Im assuming has been on the cards for some time - as you dont pull together that amount of shareholders over night - second Ive questioned the financial side of things in Public - and including how we could afford the Running Costs of the New Training Complex at the AGM-  therefore my concerns over finances are well documented - and I openly questioned the statement from the Chairman regards finances - so there was no whispering campaign required   Second - also Im a fan like everyone else - Im allowed to have opinions - pretty sure there be lots of fans discussing this who I speak to is my affair - same as who you speak to is your affair 

But for the record - you first accused me of spreading rumours regards a takeover  - now your accusing me of helping orchestrate a possible takeover - big leap -  and meeting with a "Constortium " for personal gain and a possible Seat on the Board - complete and utter nonsense - your making it up as you go along - and I have no idea why your so bitter towards me - Ive not done or said anything about you personally - Ive had bigger battles with Javea Jag - but we agree that things have to change - so whats your problem - if you just dont like me - then fair enough   

 

  

 

 

[Third Lanark]

3 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

Nope - its simply a case of pointing out that rather than good solid management we get PR - Stevie Wonder could have seen Kirkie wasnt happening 

The track record of the potential New Owner is to invest and  drive the Club forward - if your not prepared to invest then by definition your playing at it 

Im not aware of anyone being offered things like Seats on the Board -nor have I met with any consortium  - its you thats saying there is one - not me 

 

 

Do you have any concerns that this takeover might asset strip Jim eg sell Firhill for flats etc?

is their a reason why it has taken so long, presumably if they were going to do it should they not have completed it as soon as the season finished. Presumably we can’t make any signings now and the longer it waits to go through the more rivals will sign better players than us and we are in the same situation last year where Archie left it so late we were left with very poor quality players 

[Jordanhill Jag]

Just now, Third Lanark said:

Do you have any concerns that this takeover might asset strip Jim eg sell Firhill for flats etc?

is their a reason why it has taken so long, presumably if they were going to do it should they not have completed it as soon as the season finished. Presumably we can’t make any signings now and the longer it waits to go through the more rivals will sign better players than us and we are in the same situation last year where Archie left it so late we were left with very poor quality players 

Propco havent managed to get a buyer for the Bing in 10 Years - so cant see it as an assett strip ?

No idea beyond the fact that Ive heard from various sources thats there will be changes ? 

[Dark Passenger]

25 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

But for the record - you first accused me of spreading rumours regards a takeover  - now your accusing me of helping orchestrate a possible takeover - big leap -  and meeting with a "Constortium " for personal gain and a possible Seat on the Board

No, I asked you a series of questions.

You're being pretty evasive...lots of words without saying anything is the accusation you've levelled at other people. 

And you can spin it any way you want, we both know you've been stirring the pot behind the scenes.

[sandbank boy]

Will you two stop this please?

It is already ruining this thread.

[Dark Passenger]

1 minute ago, sandbank boy said:

Will you two stop this please?

No.

[Jordanhill Jag]

Just now, Dark Passenger said:

No, I asked you a series of questions.

You're being pretty evasive...lots of words without saying anything is the accusation you've levelled at other people. 

And you can spin it any way you want, we both know you've been stirring the pot behind the scenes.

Really ? So no other fan is commenting on this 

You have accused me of spreading rumours about a takeover - well thats not true-  as other people had posted it before I commented - you accused me of of acting in Concert with a "Consortium " for personal gain - well thats not true - your accusing me of discussing the finances as a Whispering Campaign - whereas Ive stated lots of times publicly about the Finances - but here is the thing - any takeover has nada to do with me - of course Im going to comment - so has halve the Fan base  BUT the pulling together of any takeover bid - being involved in it - your barking up the wrong tree mate - and who exactly Im I spinning the pot to  ? any takeover either will or wont happen the 55% shareholders have acted in concert - thats unprecedented-  so you may want to ask what motivated them - to a Man they are long term supporters of Thistle - most of them put up there own cash -but rather than ask the serious question as to why they have taken this decision ( assuming they have ) you seem intent on attacking me ?  I didnt influence anything on any level - I may agree with things - Ive spoken to a few of them over the last 12 Months - but I suggest you shut up - as Im not part of the takeover-  nor orchestrating a campaign on there behalf - which is what your implying - go ask yourself - if you believe there is a consortium of Shareholders - WHY are the doing this ? 

[Jordanhill Jag]

11 minutes ago, sandbank boy said:

Will you two stop this please?

It is already ruining this thread.

agreed - apologies  

[sandbank boy]

7 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

agreed - apologies  

Thank you

[Big Col]

A billionaire consortium wants to buy a Scottish club and make it successful by having the right people in the boardroom and the dugout and on the pitch.

What’s not to like? Personally I’d love to see us back in the Premiership, being competitive instead of lying down to the big teams. 

But if some prefer limping along playing the likes of Alloa and Ayr then that’s their look out. I want a club with ambition, not one that celebrates mediocrity.

[Dark Passenger]

"the right people"

Jesus...