New Owner

[allyo]

7 hours ago, madcapmilkdrinker said:

Why are actual, real life Thistle fans being held to a far higher standard of expected communication, governance and vision than  some bunch of secretive, shambolic venture capitalists? Seems weird to me but maybe some supporters have their nose out of joint that they weren't ballsy enough to devote the time and energy to this that TFE have already demonstrated their capacity for. I've pledged my ongoing support to them from across land and sea.

Another voice for fan ownership JJ. A few more and you won't be able to say there isn't a groundswell. 

I think the degree of challenge to the proposed fan ownership model is absolutely valid.

It's the unquestioning optimism around a capitalist consortium that I don't get.

[Semi Nurainen]

11 minutes ago, sandy said:

One side is maybe trying, but there are delays & gaps. Maybe I’m wrong, but intuition tells me it’s not the great ‘fan ownership’ deal that it purports to be. More reassurance & transparency required. 

+1.

[Norgethistle]

8 minutes ago, scotty said:

Sounds like an e-mail to Off the Ball.  "I bet you wullny read this oot Cosgrove"

How long ago was it you sent these questions to them?

These aren’t all from me, but a lot of them could be answered with a straight YES or NO,  ie is Low involved, others were answered but answer is vague and non committal “we propose”, how difficult is it to state 300 or 100 or 5000 have expressed interest?

 

 

[scotty]

A few of the vocal objectors on here to a fans' buyout  seem to be supporters of the consortium or at least have tempered their criticism of it. What I would like to ask them is if their objection to fan ownership is a general one? Are they against community ownership in princple or is it just Thistle fans wanting it? Or is it maybe the personalities involved in getting things started?

[Pinhead]

3 minutes ago, scotty said:

A few of the vocal objectors on here to a fans' buyout  seem to be supporters of the consortium or at least have tempered their criticism of it. What I would like to ask them is if their objection to fan ownership is a general one? Are they against community ownership in princple or is it just Thistle fans wanting it? Or is it maybe the personalities involved in getting things started?

I am against it for the reasons below...

1. We cannot run a trust so therefore cannot run a club, some of those involved in the buyout also were part of the trust and are part of the closed minded/shop brigade

2. There will be no financial clout behind this for players/stadia or to fix any disasters should they crop up

3. see number 1 over and over again a million times!

[javeajag]

4 minutes ago, scotty said:

A few of the vocal objectors on here to a fans' buyout  seem to be supporters of the consortium or at least have tempered their criticism of it. What I would like to ask them is if their objection to fan ownership is a general one? Are they against community ownership in princple or is it just Thistle fans wanting it? Or is it maybe the personalities involved in getting things started?

What’s interesting is that no one is really putting forward a case for the venture capitalists but asking lots of quite valid questions about fan ownership not doing the same for the money men is concerning 

[javeajag]

2 minutes ago, Pinhead said:

I am against it for the reasons below...

1. We cannot run a trust so therefore cannot run a club, some of those involved in the buyout also were part of the trust and are part of the closed minded/shop brigade

2. There will be no financial clout behind this for players/stadia or to fix any disasters should they crop up

3. see number 1 over and over again a million times!

There seems to be a misconception that fan ownership means a board coming from the fan base ... this isn’t true .... anyone can be appointed to the board just like now eg Dodds and Springford are not thistle fans 

reality check ... I hope you don’t think these money guys are going to put money into the club quite the opposite they are taking money out see Barnsley 

[scotty]

8 minutes ago, Pinhead said:

I am against it for the reasons below...

1. We cannot run a trust so therefore cannot run a club, some of those involved in the buyout also were part of the trust and are part of the closed minded/shop brigade

2. There will be no financial clout behind this for players/stadia or to fix any disasters should they crop up

3. see number 1 over and over again a million times!

When you say "we" I take it you are/were involved in one of the trusts. If so what makes you think you can't run a club?

[Pinhead]

Just now, scotty said:

When you say "we" I take it you are/were involved in one of the trusts. If so what makes you think you can't run a club?

No i am not involved in the trust i meant we as in a fanbase. I wouldn't give the trust my money ever again, it is discredited and a busted flush. Tbh i wouldn't want to run a club unless i had deep pockets and could go all football manager on it lol

[Norgethistle]

16 minutes ago, scotty said:

A few of the vocal objectors on here to a fans' buyout  seem to be supporters of the consortium or at least have tempered their criticism of it. What I would like to ask them is if their objection to fan ownership is a general one? Are they against community ownership in princple or is it just Thistle fans wanting it? Or is it maybe the personalities involved in getting things started?

Firstly is it a true fans buy out? How many are actually interested in continually paying in?

From our fan base is it actually viable to grow the club

From history (Both Trusts) could it actually be run effectively 

From other clubs in UK show me one where true fan ownership has worked.

 

Yes I have concerns with the consortium too, but these (like Beattie, Allan etc), are proven successful businessmen 

[Dick Dastardly]

1 hour ago, Norgethistle said:

No they have not, they have answered easy sound bites with no real substance. Their website alone is in breach of data protection (GDPR) so is completely set up on plans drawn on back of a fag packet, they won’t answer clearly the following from various people on various media.

 

- How many people have actually signed up (Remember Paul stated when involved at Stirling 50000 “Fifty Thousand” had signed up)

- How will the first board be chosen prior to any election 

- Will Jackie Low be involved

- When did Colin Weir actually get involved as he is on record stating Weir was not involved 

- How will voting actually work (He stated hopefully 1 member 1 vote,  but not decided)

- Is Weirs money a pure donation or merely capital to be paid back (Motherwell, St Mirren method)

- As stated in press release “Colin Weir will play no part in the running of the club AFTER the takeover is complete” is that after the fans pay him back if the above point is same as Motherwell/ St Mirren model

- Will The democratically elected board be running the club unfettered from any major donor or their associates

- How will the required skills be brought to the board if (as rumored) anyone can stand

- Can he deny the (strong) rumors from Stirling fans that he’s placing himself on the board

 

 

 

All good valid questions. Have you asked the same of the consortium ?

Oh no ! You can’t

[scotty]

9 minutes ago, Norgethistle said:

Firstly is it a true fans buy out? How many are actually interested in continually paying in?

From our fan base is it actually viable to grow the club

From history (Both Trusts) could it actually be run effectively 

From other clubs in UK show me one where true fan ownership has worked.

 

Yes I have concerns with the consortium too, but these (like Beattie, Allan etc), are proven successful businessmen 

If the fans buy the club yes. (unless the emphasis is on "true").

Maybe we should be looking at sustaining for now, rather than growing.

The trusts had no real role in running the club and I for one and am sure like many was lazy in not getting involved .

It's non-league but Enfield Town.

Thomas Cook was also a very successful businessman.

 

 

[Norgethistle]

1 minute ago, Dick Dastardly said:

All good valid questions. Have you asked the same of the consortium ?

Oh no ! You can’t

None of these questions apply to the consortium 

[Third Lanark]

14 minutes ago, Norgethistle said:

Firstly is it a true fans buy out? How many are actually interested in continually paying in?

From our fan base is it actually viable to grow the club

From history (Both Trusts) could it actually be run effectively 

From other clubs in UK show me one where true fan ownership has worked.

 

Yes I have concerns with the consortium too, but these (like Beattie, Allan etc), are proven successful businessmen 

What concerns do you have about the consortium?

[javeajag]

15 minutes ago, Norgethistle said:

Firstly is it a true fans buy out? How many are actually interested in continually paying in?

From our fan base is it actually viable to grow the club

From history (Both Trusts) could it actually be run effectively 

From other clubs in UK show me one where true fan ownership has worked.

 

Yes I have concerns with the consortium too, but these (like Beattie, Allan etc), are proven successful businessmen 

Once they have sold they won’t be involved .....and what do you know about the money men .... nothing 

[Norgethistle]

Just now, Third Lanark said:

What concerns do you have about the consortium?

What is the long term plan. The short to mid is said to be buy good young players from a massive scouting network grow them get them in shop window and sell them at a profit.

Is the plan to do this till £x is made then sell or to continue doing this

[Fawlty Towers]

6 minutes ago, Norgethistle said:

None of these questions apply to the consortium 

In the interest of balance could you outline any concerns you have over the consortium - thanks.

Edited: Just missed your earlier post.

Edited September 26, 2019 by Fawlty Towers

[scotty]

2 minutes ago, Norgethistle said:

What is the long term plan. The short to mid is said to be buy good young players from a massive scouting network grow them get them in shop window and sell them at a profit.

Is the plan to do this till £x is made then sell or to continue doing this

Has this come from the consortium or the board of PTFC?

[Norgethistle]

31 minutes ago, javeajag said:

There seems to be a misconception that fan ownership means a board coming from the fan base ... this isn’t true .... anyone can be appointed to the board just like now eg Dodds and Springford are not thistle fans 

 

This contradicts what Forever Thistle have stated, the board will only be selected from and voted in by those who have signed up and contributing, but this was prior to Weir financing it

[javeajag]

6 minutes ago, Norgethistle said:

What is the long term plan. The short to mid is said to be buy good young players from a massive scouting network grow them get them in shop window and sell them at a profit.

Is the plan to do this till £x is made then sell or to continue doing this

‘ is said to be ‘ said by whom ? They haven’t said that 

[javeajag]

1 minute ago, Norgethistle said:

This contradicts what Forever Thistle have stated, the board will only be selected from and voted in by those who have signed up and contributing, but this was prior to Weir financing it

One if the issues to be resolved ....I would hope we would be open minded on it 

[Semi Nurainen]

11 minutes ago, scotty said:

If the fans buy the club yes. (unless the emphasis is on "true").

Maybe we should be looking at sustaining for now, rather than growing.

The trusts had no real role in running the club and I for one and am sure like many was lazy in not getting involved .

It's non-league but Enfield Town.

Thomas Cook was also a very successful businessman.

 

 

I see your posts are still spot on, very relevant, and up-to-the-minute.

Cook has been dead for over a hundred years.

[Norgethistle]

1 minute ago, javeajag said:

‘ is said to be ‘ said by whom ? They haven’t said that 

That is what they have done at other 2 clubs.

Whats TfE plan? Ask Weir for more money 

[Norgethistle]

1 minute ago, javeajag said:

One if the issues to be resolved ....I would hope we would be open minded on it 

What issues have actually been resolved except we want to buy the club , by all accounts (from AGM) a bid hasn’t even been submitted by them yet

[scotty]

6 minutes ago, Norgethistle said:

This contradicts what Forever Thistle have stated, the board will only be selected from and voted in by those who have signed up and contributing, but this was prior to Weir financing it

I would like the board of a fans' club to be a majority of and chaired by fans but that wouldn't preclude people being co-opted for particular skills.

Edited September 26, 2019 by scotty
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