lady-isobel-barnett Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 http://www.raithrovers.net/43518/official-statement-2.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: http://www.raithrovers.net/43518/official-statement-2.htm Fair play to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a f kincaid Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 They threw a smoke canister on to the park when they scored their 1st (?) goal. It missed the grass by inches and landed on the chuckies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsca Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, Garscube Road End said: Fair play to them. Yep - no trying apportion blame elsewhere, Good to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 As others have said , good to see Raith Rovers taking full responsibility. Bigger clubs could learn from them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 Good on Raith. Maybe Old Firm can copy/paste that statement for next time they visit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 Maybe just as well our Club decided to move the Raith support from the Colin Weir Stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironfist Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 18 hours ago, a f kincaid said: They threw a smoke canister on to the park when they scored their 1st (?) goal. It missed the grass by inches and landed on the chuckies. There were two smoke canisters used, one thrown from the stand after the opening goal and the second set off in the concourse of the JH stand at half time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 I feel as if there are double standards being applied here. If it had been either of the other 2 teams in this city, their fans would be getting all sorts of abuse. Why not the Raith fans ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Lenziejag said: I feel as if there are double standards being applied here. If it had been either of the other 2 teams in this city, their fans would be getting all sorts of abuse. Why not the Raith fans ? Whilst it is rightly highlighted ehat they done and if the culprit(s) is(are) found then they should be dealt with in the appropriate manner, to compare them to the absolute scumbags that follow those 2 other teams in the city is really stretching it. Have either of those 2 piped up when they have caused any damage?? Edited February 19, 2020 by Garscube Road End Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 59 minutes ago, Garscube Road End said: Whilst it is rightly highlighted ehat they done and if the culprit(s) is(are) found then they should be dealt with in the appropriate manner, to compare them to the absolute scumbags that follow those 2 other teams in the city is really stretching it. Have either of those 2 piped up when they have caused any damage?? Enlighten me GRE. How does someone go from letting off flares, endangering life, in an enclosed space to being absolute scumbags ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) I thought opinion was more about praising Raith Rovers FC for their honest statement. I don't think most of us would condone any fans letting off flares. Besides we've lost any moral high ground we may have thought we had last season. Edited February 19, 2020 by lady-isobel-barnett 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 9 hours ago, Lenziejag said: I feel as if there are double standards being applied here. If it had been either of the other 2 teams in this city, their fans would be getting all sorts of abuse. Why not the Raith fans ? Definitely double standards. The press highlighted this but completely ignore the damage and bile that comes when the OF visit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Lenziejag said: Enlighten me GRE. How does someone go from letting off flares, endangering life, in an enclosed space to being absolute scumbags ? As I said those responsible should be held to account. The double standards do not exist here. The difference is that those two scumbag clubs get away with it through the reaction of the authorities and the media. They are utterly disgusting clubs. Raith Rovers FC have acknowledged what has happened and will act on it. Do the two other clubs do such things? No. They just arrogantly shrug their shoulders and look down on every other club as a piece os shit on their shoe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 35 minutes ago, Norgethistle said: Definitely double standards. The press highlighted this but completely ignore the damage and bile that comes when the OF visit And I think this is where we enter difficult waters. If for arguments sake we can lay claim to 5000 Jags supporters, then either of the ugly sisters can lay claim to say 20 times a cheek more than that. By simple arithmetic us Jags fans have to be whatever multiple it is better than either of the ugly sisters. So for every one flare thrown on to a pitch by a Jags fan can be considered alike to say every 20 flares either of the arse cheeks do likewise. Get the drift? Multiple the damage that the few hundred Raith fans have caused thru that sort of ratio and it makes the ugly sisters appear welcome visitors. Of course we all know the true story and we all appreciate the filth that the ugly sisters dump on our doorstep. Same time tho' Raith fans have set back the moral argument to a degree. Proportionally every seat a relative handful of Raith fans have damaged is equivalent to whatever damage a full JHS contingent of OF dross can inflict upon us.? One thingy that's been a constant with me for six decades (is it really that many?) is not emulating Celtic or Rangers in any way whatsoever. I've never been either a vocal or demonstrative fan, just proud of the way we can differentiate ourselves. I hope we keep it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: I’ve never been either a vocal or demonstrative fan, just proud of the way we can differentiate ourselves. I hope we keep it that way Well said LiB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsca Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Garscube Road End said: As I said those responsible should be held to account. The double standards do not exist here. The difference is that those two scumbag clubs get away with it through the reaction of the authorities and the media. They are utterly disgusting clubs. Raith Rovers FC have acknowledged what has happened and will act on it. Do the two other clubs do such things? No. They just arrogantly shrug their shoulders and look down on every other club as a piece os shit on their shoe. Agree with you completely GRE ( and that doesn’t happen very often!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow & Redneck Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: One thingy that's been a constant with me for six decades (is it really that many?) is not emulating Celtic or Rangers in any way whatsoever. I've never been either a vocal or demonstrative fan, just proud of the way we can differentiate ourselves. I hope we keep it that way. I agree with you in the context of your original argument. However across the board, I do find the "at least we aren't the Old Firm" trope a tiring one. Thistle have become such a cultureless club in my opinion (sorry), so a Jags fan saying the prevailing culture of Thistle is that we are not the Old Firm is equivalent to a Scottish person saying their culture is based on the fact they aren't English. Club culture can't be based on what you aren't, only what you are. The general behaviour of OF fans, along with the glory hunting and sectarian bile I find sickening. However I'm not against trying to emulate their domestic success, nor get fans through the gate. Ultimately that's what a football team should be. I get the general impression at times that success is a second thought, as long as we aren't anything like the OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 25 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: And I think this is where we enter difficult waters. If for arguments sake we can lay claim to 5000 Jags supporters, then either of the ugly sisters can lay claim to say 20 times a cheek more than that. By simple arithmetic us Jags fans have to be whatever multiple it is better than either of the ugly sisters. So for every one flare thrown on to a pitch by a Jags fan can be considered alike to say every 20 flares either of the arse cheeks do likewise. Get the drift? Multiple the damage that the few hundred Raith fans have caused thru that sort of ratio and it makes the ugly sisters appear welcome visitors. Of course we all know the true story and we all appreciate the filth that the ugly sisters dump on our doorstep. Same time tho' Raith fans have set back the moral argument to a degree. Proportionally every seat a relative handful of Raith fans have damaged is equivalent to whatever damage a full JHS contingent of OF dross can inflict upon us.? One thingy that's been a constant with me for six decades (is it really that many?) is not emulating Celtic or Rangers in any way whatsoever. I've never been either a vocal or demonstrative fan, just proud of the way we can differentiate ourselves. I hope we keep it that way. How many seats have we smashed at parkhead compared to what they’ve broken at Firhill. Even per head count it massively out ways our supporters behavior. Having more numbers does not allow for mob rule, but as the club and the press accept (And bow down to) the sectarian pound we say and do nothing, in fact the only statement we make is when their fans complained Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Norgethistle said: Definitely double standards. The press highlighted this but completely ignore the damage and bile that comes when the OF visit Of course the Scottish press kow tow to them, but my concern is about Thistle fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Yellow & Redneck said: I agree with you in the context of your original argument. However across the board, I do find the "at least we aren't the Old Firm" trope a tiring one. Thistle have become such a cultureless club in my opinion (sorry), so a Jags fan saying the prevailing culture of Thistle is that we are not the Old Firm is equivalent to a Scottish person saying their culture is based on the fact they aren't English. Club culture can't be based on what you aren't, only what you are. The general behaviour of OF fans, along with the glory hunting and sectarian bile I find sickening. However I'm not against trying to emulate their domestic success, nor get fans through the gate. Ultimately that's what a football team should be. I get the general impression at times that success is a second thought, as long as we aren't anything like the OF. Fair points Y&R. To me Thistle should be about inclusivity, fun, not taking life too seriously, a bit of success now and again. We are different from the OF who crave success at all costs and turn a blind eye to nastiness. I’d love Thistle to be more successful, but not at the expense of the values highlighted above. We are the Alternative in Glasgow, no place for bigotry, sectarianism or hatred. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, sandy said: Fair points Y&R. To me Thistle should be about inclusivity, fun, not taking life too seriously, a bit of success now and again. We are different from the OF who crave success at all costs and turn a blind eye to nastiness. I’d love Thistle to be more successful, but not at the expense of the values highlighted above. We are the Alternative in Glasgow, no place for bigotry, sectarianism or hatred. Your last sentence is what we should be striving for - But, unfortunately, I think a section of our support are bigoted towards the Old firm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Lenziejag said: Your last sentence is what we should be striving for - But, unfortunately, I think a section of our support are bigoted towards the Old firm. But is it ‘bigotry’ or just us taking a stand against extremes underpinned by (misguided) religious affinities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, sandy said: But is it ‘bigotry’ or just us taking a stand against extremes underpinned by (misguided) religious affinities? I don’t think some of the stuff on here is “just taking a stand” it seems like hatred and intolerance to me, which is the definition of bigotry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow & Redneck Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 I'm really interested in some of the posts here as this has been a sticking point with me for a long time. Although we have always had the bumper tag-line "Glasgow's Alternative," what is to stop Queens Park, Pollock, Maryhill, etc. being Glasgow's alternative? With their illustrious history, amazing youth academy, and well financed model, we are in real danger of becoming Glasgow's 4th team behind a full-time Queens Park in a few seasons (if we don't arrest the slide). So my point is, by saying we are Glasgow's alternative club, we are once again just basing our entire club on what we aren't (the OF) as opposed to what we are. And I find the wishy-washy labels like "family friendly" or "inclusive" being applied to about 95% of Scottish teams; I don't think that's what drives people to really support a football team. Ask most fans why they support a club and they'll tell you it's because of where they grew up, or it was who their mum/dad/whoever supported. Maybe we are an exception to that rule; I don't know. Just interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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