blakey Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 There appears to be a lot of negativity towards Jacqui Low. I don't really get it. I know she presided over the club as we went into a tailspin. She was also instrumental in appointing GC. She also admitted to doing some poor comms over that period but...I think the level of negaitivity towards her is OTT. Is any of this chauvinistic? For example - why is the same level of concern not raised to Gerry B? He has presided over the club for a similar/longer period. I have no axe to grind with Gerry. BTW - I am not Jacqui or her family...have met her once. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, blakey said: There appears to be a lot of negativity towards Jacqui Low. I don't really get it. I know she presided over the club as we went into a tailspin. She was also instrumental in appointing GC. She also admitted to doing some poor comms over that period but...I think the level of negaitivity towards her is OTT. Is any of this chauvinistic? For example - why is the same level of concern not raised to Gerry B? He has presided over the club for a similar/longer period. I have no axe to grind with Gerry. BTW - I am not Jacqui or her family...have met her once. You e just given 3 good reasons, do you want anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleBunnet Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, blakey said: There appears to be a lot of negativity towards Jacqui Low. I don't really get it. I know she presided over the club as we went into a tailspin. She was also instrumental in appointing GC. She also admitted to doing some poor comms over that period but...I think the level of negaitivity towards her is OTT. Is any of this chauvinistic? For example - why is the same level of concern not raised to Gerry B? He has presided over the club for a similar/longer period. I have no axe to grind with Gerry. BTW - I am not Jacqui or her family...have met her once. hear, hear! Time to move on. New, exciting and hopefully successful chapter for the club. And if JL returns to the club in any formal capacity, I'll eat my hat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 45 minutes ago, blakey said: . Is any of this chauvinistic? Some people didn't like Caldwell - some did Some people didn't like Archie - some did They are both male I guess people might have a myriad of reasons for their opinions positive and negative about Jacqui Low, and amongst everyone I know I don't think any of it is for this reason - suggesting it is a great way of shutting down debate though! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakey Posted November 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 39 minutes ago, jaf said: Some people didn't like Caldwell - some did Some people didn't like Archie - some did They are both male I guess people might have a myriad of reasons for their opinions positive and negative about Jacqui Low, and amongst everyone I know I don't think any of it is for this reason - suggesting it is a great way of shutting down debate though! I do wonder if the female members of our fanbase have an opinion on this. It does strike me that Jacqui is held accountable for all the things that went wrong. This might have nothing to do with chauvinism but I am not sure. That's why my comparison to Gerry B was given. Gerry will also have a lot of credit in his bank due to previous Thistle history but...I think the level of disdain for Jacqui has been out of proportion. She was involved in appointing a manager that many of us were unsure of but she appears to get the blame for everything - including Squiddy and Dools departure. The responsibility for all these items will not all be with the chair. I just see a load of stuff now where people openly state that we don't want her to return. There was a suggestion that she was out of her depth. My remaining concern is that some of that was based on male chauvinism. I don't really expect people concerned to now go "oh aye, I was a bit of a caveman. I'm now going to mend my ways". It just does not sit very well with me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Apart from one poster who springs to mind I personally do not think this is a chauvinistic forum. Jacqui Low criticisms here have been performance/personality related imo. Gerry Britton maybe had more credit in the bank but he has not been immune on here for getting things wrong. If they are an excellent chairperson for Partick Thistle then I am sure 99% on here would agree if matters not regards gender, ethnicity, age, etc etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARu-Strathbungo Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Ms Low was out of her depth and was rightly criticized, Gary Caldwell was out of his depth and rightly criticized. Nothing to do with chauvinism, nothing to do with knuckle dragging, nothing to do with dissing the #metoo movement etc etc 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semi Nurainen Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 hours ago, blakey said: There appears to be a lot of negativity towards Jacqui Low. I don't really get it. I know she presided over the club as we went into a tailspin. She was also instrumental in appointing GC. She also admitted to doing some poor comms over that period but...I think the level of negaitivity towards her is OTT. Is any of this chauvinistic? For example - why is the same level of concern not raised to Gerry B? He has presided over the club for a similar/longer period. I have no axe to grind with Gerry. BTW - I am not Jacqui or her family...have met her once. Two words: Gary & Caldwell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Nothing wrong with criticising her. I wouldn't necessarily put up a defence. But I've never understood the apparent level of contempt. I agree that it's been over the top. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 It would seem the purge has begun. I wonder how the corporate governance worked regarding todays firing for example. Lets end the pretence please. Time for there to be a lot more transparency and honesty here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, jaf said: It would seem the purge has begun. I wonder how the corporate governance worked regarding todays firing for example. Lets end the pretence please. Time for there to be a lot more transparency and honesty here. Care to explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, jaf said: It would seem the purge has begun. I wonder how the corporate governance worked regarding todays firing for example. Lets end the pretence please. Time for there to be a lot more transparency and honesty here What purge? What firing? Have I missed something? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 46 minutes ago, jaf said: It would seem the purge has begun. I wonder how the corporate governance worked regarding todays firing for example. Lets end the pretence please. Time for there to be a lot more transparency and honesty here What’s happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, sandy said: What’s happened? Theres lots of TFE and PTFC Trust people on the board, that lurk on this forum. They can surely tell you. Most of you wont believe me anyway. I will be accused of chauvinism and all sorts. Corporate governance surely means they all know who is making what decisions and giving what instructions, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KemoAvdiu Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Just now, jaf said: Theres lots of TFE and PTFC Trust people on the board, that lurk on this forum. They can surely tell you. Most of you wont believe me anyway. I will be accused of chauvinism and all sorts. Corporate governance surely means they all know who is making what decisions and giving what instructions, right? Reading between the lines it would appear Jacqui Low is indeed back. How surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, jaf said: Theres lots of TFE and PTFC Trust people on the board, that lurk on this forum. They can surely tell you. Most of you wont believe me anyway. I will be accused of chauvinism and all sorts. Corporate governance surely means they all know who is making what decisions and giving what instructions, right? So basically you're flinging mud and hoping it'll stick. Edited November 22, 2019 by scotty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, scotty said: So basically you're flinging mud and hoping it'll stick. Nope. Ask the appropriate people - is that not the point of fan ownership/representation? I said that's what you should do - if they deign to answer you will have your answer and you can decide if I am throwing muck or not. OK? And I look forward to the apology when you conclude you are wrong, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, jaf said: Nope. Ask the appropriate people - is that not the point of fan ownership/representation? I said that's what you should do - if they deign to answer you will have your answer and you can decide if I am throwing muck or not. OK? And I look forward to the apology when you conclude you are wrong, thanks Firstly, the club is not under fan ownership so who would you suggest are the appropriate people? Secondly you are the one coming on here talking about purges and firings then refusing to substantiate what may or may not be rumours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 minute ago, scotty said: Firstly, the club is not under fan ownership so who would you suggest are the appropriate people? Secondly you are the one coming on here talking about purges and firings then refusing to substantiate what may or may not be rumours. yep, and you are the one accusing people who know what they are talking about of spreading rumours, and demanding I give you answers For weeks we have heard how transparent and approachable TFE are - ask them anything says Javeajag - two of them are on the board - why not ask them about this? Or, if you are a season ticket holder of appropriate length, two of your representatives via PTFC Trust are also on the board. That's four people, and all the other TFE group, you could ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingleo Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 All you had to do was watch any of her ridiculous monthly ( and then extinct) talks. Absolutely excruciating in their awfulness. Makes no difference whether she’s man, woman or whatever else people are these days. If you’re out of your depth you’re out of your depth. Simple as that. I also think Caldwell was a useless moron. Also out of his depth. Does that make me anti male? She should be nowhere near our club again. Along with her hopeless manager she presided over one of the most depressing periods I can remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Okay. What are we to ask them? Just give us a hint. Coz right now all I could do is go to them and say, someone who claims to know stuff has started a rumour on the forum. I have no idea what it alludes to. Could you please advise me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, jaf said: yep, and you are the one accusing people who know what they are talking about of spreading rumours, and demanding I give you answers For weeks we have heard how transparent and approachable TFE are - ask them anything says Javeajag - two of them are on the board - why not ask them about this? Or, if you are a season ticket holder of appropriate length, two of your representatives via PTFC Trust are also on the board. That's four people, and all the other TFE group, you could ask. So you know what you are talking about? Well share it with those of us who don't! Edited November 22, 2019 by scotty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, scotty said: So you know what you are talking about? Well share it with those of us who don't! Tell you what, let me try giving you what you want I know nothing I don't know what I am talking about Anything I have said I made up Nothing to see here The transparency openness communication and honesty is staggeringly good these days Everything is great - Thistles corporate governance is beyond criticism I am a chauvanistic pig Enjoy the future Who do I speak to in order to book some hospitality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Just now, jaf said: Tell you what, let me try giving you what you want I know nothing I don't know what I am talking about Anything I have said I made up Nothing to see here The transparency openness communication and honesty is staggeringly good these days Everything is great - Thistles corporate governance is beyond criticism I am a chauvanistic pig Enjoy the future Who do I speak to in order to book some hospitality? Deflection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, jaf said: Tell you what, let me try giving you what you want I know nothing I don't know what I am talking about Anything I have said I made up Nothing to see here The transparency openness communication and honesty is staggeringly good these days Everything is great - Thistles corporate governance is beyond criticism I am a chauvanistic pig Enjoy the future Who do I speak to in order to book some hospitality? Why not just tell us who's been fired and let us come to our own conclusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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