Springburnjag Posted November 27, 2019 Report Share Posted November 27, 2019 45 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said: So you agree that the Directors and only the Directors run the Club - that No third Party - Shareholder or otherwise has any say in the Running or Decisions of PTFC as to do so would result in no one knowning who is making the decisions ? And that all decisions should be formally minuted at Board Meetings If you don’t think significant shareholders or shareholder groups can influence a company have a chat with Warren buffet Don’t be silly and don’t respond by telling me things I never said ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted November 27, 2019 Report Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Springburnjag said: If you don’t think significant shareholders or shareholder groups can influence a company have a chat with Warren buffet Don’t be silly and don’t respond by telling me things I never said ! Of course he can - but the decisions are taken by the Directors - there is a big big difference between "influence" and being responsible - if Directors let anyone take decisions apart from them then there position is untenable - they are legally accountable and responsible - anything else results in chaos ........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springburnjag Posted November 27, 2019 Report Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, Jordanhill Jag said: Of course he can - but the decisions are taken by the Directors - there is a big big difference between "influence" and being responsible - if Directors let anyone take decisions apart from them then there position is untenable - they are legally accountable and responsible - anything else results in chaos ........... Ok let’s agree we have a difference of emphasis ....only directors can make decisions at a company (formally) they can be influenced by shareholders (informally) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcapmilkdrinker Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 13 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Where have I slagged off TFE I’ve obviously misread your occasional posts on the matter then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 A new appointment to the interim board I see. Well when I say new............ And an old hand removed. Stinks to high heaven. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Big Col said: A new appointment to the interim board I see. Well when I say new............ And an old hand removed. Stinks to high heaven. J. Low will be back soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) Hmmm... So who is pulling the strings here? We’d have been safer under DB Edited November 28, 2019 by sandy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydebankJag Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, sandy said: Hmmm... So who is pulling the strings here? We’d have been safer under DB Yeah but DB wanted out, so let’s move forward with people that want to be involved in our club. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 Can someone tell me what is their problem with Duncan Smillie being on the board ? He already runs a successful sports club and he was only briefly on a previous board, so is hardly tainted by any association. From where I am sitting, this looks like a very sensible appointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: Can someone tell me what is their problem with Duncan Smillie being on the board ? He already runs a successful sports club and he was only briefly on a previous board, so is hardly tainted by any association. From where I am sitting, this looks like a very sensible appointment. One of Low's pals. She's definitely pulling the strings here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falklandal1 Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: Can someone tell me what is their problem with Duncan Smillie being on the board ? He already runs a successful sports club and he was only briefly on a previous board, so is hardly tainted by any association. From where I am sitting, this looks like a very sensible appointment. Spot on,however there is the Paranoia factor as he once spoke to Jacqui Low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springburnjag Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 Dear oh dear ..... so anyone who knows Jlow cannot be involved at the club how inclusive .... a few people here should get a grip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, falklandal1 said: Spot on,however there is the Paranoia factor as he once spoke to Jacqui Low. Not at all. Just a nervousness around how we transition over the next few months. FWIW I met Jacqui several times and quite liked her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulguy jag Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) Will be interesting to see who will be on the board after the interim period. Would have liked the owner of thistle bloodstock and other businesses involved as he is a true jagsman. Edited November 28, 2019 by mulguy jag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 22 minutes ago, Springburnjag said: Dear oh dear ..... so anyone who knows Jlow cannot be involved at the club how inclusive .... a few people here should get a grip It has nothing to do with inclusive or the attempted Spin of Misogny - TFE made a very clear statement regards her returning - the fact they made it obviously shows it was an issue with Fans The Evening Times again based on breifing Im assuming from the Club made it clear she was not returning in an Official Capacity And as you have accepted - the Board of Directors run the Club - therefore given that Mr Smillie was previously part of Jlo Board - its not unreasonable for Fans to be asking questions - so I suggest you "get a grip" We have two very public statements saying she isnt involved - neither of them demanded by the Fans - Statement from TFE - Statement via Press Breifing - for you to attempt to turn this on the Fans isnt acceptable My view is that it would have made more sense to move on with fresh faces - but thats just my view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springburnjag Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said: It has nothing to do with inclusive or the attempted Spin of Misogny - TFE made a very clear statement regards her returning - the fact they made it obviously shows it was an issue with Fans The Evening Times again based on breifing Im assuming from the Club made it clear she was not returning in an Official Capacity And as you have accepted - the Board of Directors run the Club - therefore given that Mr Smillie was previously part of Jlo Board - its not unreasonable for Fans to be asking questions - so I suggest you "get a grip" We have two very public statements saying she isnt involved - neither of them demanded by the Fans - Statement from TFE - Statement via Press Breifing - for you to attempt to turn this on the Fans isnt acceptable My view is that it would have made more sense to move on with fresh faces - but thats just my view What’s the bad thing happening here ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 Just now, Springburnjag said: What’s the bad thing happening here ? There is obviously a connection between the appiontment and the previous Board - therefore Fans are not unreasonably asking questions As Ive said my view is that they should have gone with Fresh Faces all round - but lets see what transpires ............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springburnjag Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said: There is obviously a connection between the appiontment and the previous Board - therefore Fans are not unreasonably asking questions As Ive said my view is that they should have gone with Fresh Faces all round - but lets see what transpires ............. It’s only till April anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, Springburnjag said: It’s only till April anyway March Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Springburnjag said: It’s only till April anyway So what your saying that there will be no involvement on any level beyond an elected Board - that includes Trustees - Owners - Advisors - Current Directors All Shares will be in 100% total control of the Fans and the elected board ? just checking so Im not misquoting you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springburnjag Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 9 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said: So what your saying that there will be no involvement on any level beyond an elected Board - that includes Trustees - Owners - Advisors - Current Directors All Shares will be in 100% total control of the Fans and the elected board ? just checking so Im not misquoting you ? Mr Angry does question time.... how would I know ? Do i care....not sure I do until I know what you mean im giving Colin weir my support until I have reason not too....so far he’s 1. saved the club from the Barnsley buffoons 2. bought out propco and given the club the whole stadium back 3. pledged to put the club into fan/ community ownership by April 4. funded the academy till the end of 2021 5, given the women’s teams additional support 6. pledged to support the manager in the January window 7. looking at getting us a training facility how about supporting him rather than sniping from the sidelines 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapwithwings Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 12 hours ago, Springburnjag said: What’s the bad thing happening here ? A potential lack of transparency which puts people on edge. It's been stated, repeatedly, that Jacqui isn't officially involved in the boardroom - done so, as has been indicated elsewhere, presumably because her presence is seen as divisive among certain aspects of the support. However, we also know she's still an advisor to the new owner, her PR firm are involved in the club, and now a former board member from her previous, short but undistinguished era in charge has returned to the board. So there's a legitimate question to be asked about whether she's unofficially involved, or advising, the club and its new owner regarding the current situation or the next phase of the club's transition. I've no probem with Smillie rejoining the board - it makes sense we establish partnerships with other small-to-medium sports teams in the city, given the dominance of the ugly sisters and the off-field benefits of having those relationships. Frankly, I've even got no problem if Low is back on the board officially - she's a successful businesswoman, has a good contacts book and is someone who appears to care about Thistle. But equally, all I expect is transparency about it. If we're to trust the interim board and new owner to do the right thing by Thistle - which they've certainly started strongly with - then openness and honesty are essential. Much of the distrust and issues last time round came from the poor comms and transparency last time - the Doolan departure being the most obvious example, which was handled (whether you agree with the decision to let him leave or not) in the most cack-handed way possible. We've a period of uncertainty over the next few months while the new structure and fan ownership terms are sorted, and then a further period of the same going as the new structure gets implemented. Going into all of that with the added spectre of 'is there someone pulling strings behind the scenes?' doesn't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Springburnjag said: Mr Angry does question time.... how would I know ? Do i care....not sure I do until I know what you mean im giving Colin weir my support until I have reason not too....so far he’s 1. saved the club from the Barnsley buffoons 2. bought out propco and given the club the whole stadium back 3. pledged to put the club into fan/ community ownership by April 4. funded the academy till the end of 2021 5, given the women’s teams additional support 6. pledged to support the manager in the January window 7. looking at getting us a training facility how about supporting him rather than sniping from the sidelines So I will repeat the Question What your saying that there will be no involvement on any level beyond an elected Board - that includes Trustees - Owners - Advisors - Current Directors All Shares will be in 100% total control of the Fans and the elected board ? Because whilst all these things you have quoted are important- the key one is that the Fans get the Shares and have unfettered power to run the Club via an elected Board - and thats what was promised by TFE and there defacto Supporters in the Thistle Trust Also TFE made quite clear statements regards the return of JLo - now no return means exactly that - No Return - Advisor - Owner - Trustee - obviously everyone is Welcome as a paying Fan - but No return is No Return Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springburnjag Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said: So I will repeat the Question What your saying that there will be no involvement on any level beyond an elected Board - that includes Trustees - Owners - Advisors - Current Directors All Shares will be in 100% total control of the Fans and the elected board ? Because whilst all these things you have quoted are important- the key one is that the Fans get the Shares and have unfettered power to run the Club via an elected Board - and thats what was promised by TFE and there defacto Supporters in the Thistle Trust Also TFE made quite clear statements regards the return of JLo - now no return means exactly that - No Return - Advisor - Owner - Trustee - obviously everyone is Welcome as a paying Fan - but No return is No Return What I am saying is I have no idea....and the more you go on about it the less I care if you know something spit it out ....if you just speculating please stop your conversion to fan ownership is well .....amusing can we just wait and see what happens then you can tell us how bad it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springburnjag Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 44 minutes ago, chapwithwings said: A potential lack of transparency which puts people on edge. It's been stated, repeatedly, that Jacqui isn't officially involved in the boardroom - done so, as has been indicated elsewhere, presumably because her presence is seen as divisive among certain aspects of the support. However, we also know she's still an advisor to the new owner, her PR firm are involved in the club, and now a former board member from her previous, short but undistinguished era in charge has returned to the board. So there's a legitimate question to be asked about whether she's unofficially involved, or advising, the club and its new owner regarding the current situation or the next phase of the club's transition. I've no probem with Smillie rejoining the board - it makes sense we establish partnerships with other small-to-medium sports teams in the city, given the dominance of the ugly sisters and the off-field benefits of having those relationships. Frankly, I've even got no problem if Low is back on the board officially - she's a successful businesswoman, has a good contacts book and is someone who appears to care about Thistle. But equally, all I expect is transparency about it. If we're to trust the interim board and new owner to do the right thing by Thistle - which they've certainly started strongly with - then openness and honesty are essential. Much of the distrust and issues last time round came from the poor comms and transparency last time - the Doolan departure being the most obvious example, which was handled (whether you agree with the decision to let him leave or not) in the most cack-handed way possible. We've a period of uncertainty over the next few months while the new structure and fan ownership terms are sorted, and then a further period of the same going as the new structure gets implemented. Going into all of that with the added spectre of 'is there someone pulling strings behind the scenes?' doesn't help. Is there any evidence jlow is pulling strings and if so which ones ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.