Jordanhill Jag Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 Just now, Springburnjag said: Yes Directors do go to Jail over H&S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springburnjag Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 Just now, Jordanhill Jag said: Yes Directors do go to Jail over H&S Name 3 .... it’s very very very rare poor point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springburnjag Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Right end of conversation - your arguing its ok for the Club to break rules Most people get Parket Tickets or Speeding Fines due to lack of concentration - errors - etc they dont deliberately set out to ignore the Law No ... my point is people who know the law break it all the time ... you have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 Just now, Springburnjag said: No ... my point is people who know the law break it all the time ... you have Never deliberately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springburnjag Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Norgethistle said: Never deliberately Yes they do ... don’t be ridiculous ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Springburnjag said: Yes they do ... don’t be ridiculous ! I was taking about me, and I would expect any director of this club to follow the laws and basic ethical standards that befit this club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firhillista Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Jordanhill Jag said: You start by Consulting the Fans not by dictating the Model - if its going to be there Ownership then they decide the Model ? I'm sorry, but this is nonsense. You present people with a blank sheet of paper and say, "Right, what kind of fan ownership do you want?" It's perfectly reasonable to criticise the setting up of fan ownership of the club, but this is just being critical for the sake of it. And all of this criticism is now being deflected by a pointless argument about whether the board should/is behaving legally or not. Simple question, what's the problem here? Colin Weir's bought a controlling share of the club and is looking to establish fan ownership. We're not happy about how he's doing that? We want fans to be more involved? How? It seems to me that no matter what happens next, some people won't be happy because they'd much rather the club had been purchased by the consortium. (The venture capitalists/vulture scumbags, for anyone not paying attention.) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, Springburnjag said: In your private life ? so no one ever breaks the law ? poor response .... really I’ve stayed out of this debate so far as I don’t understand Company Law. But to suggest that a Club like ours should be happy breaking the law is plain silly. We are Thistle, something must differentiate us from other less scrupulous clubs. Our standards should be higher. We have shown over the years a resistance to bigotry and those that might want to suppress diversity (eg LGBT, amputee football, embracing refugees). Our ethics need to be strong & clear. That is the Club I love and follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springburnjag Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, sandy said: I’ve stayed out of this debate so far as I don’t understand Company Law. But to suggest that a Club like ours should be happy breaking the law is plain silly. We are Thistle, something must differentiate us from other less scrupulous clubs. Our standards should be higher. We have shown over the years a resistance to bigotry and those that might want to suppress diversity (eg LGBT, amputee football, embracing refugees). Our ethics need to be strong & clear. That is the Club I love and follow. I never suggested that to be clear and I hope we never would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 Just let's hope that Springburnjag or any of his ilk get involved with the running of Thistle. The club would be corruptly run, breaking laws, getting caught, getting prosecuted and killing the club. Worse moral standards than that of a certain club south of the Clyde. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springburnjag Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Firhillista said: It's perfectly reasonable to criticise the setting up of fan ownership of the club, but this is just being critical for the sake of it. That’s him all over ..., negative all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springburnjag Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 Just now, Garscube Road End said: Just let's hope that Springburnjag or any of his ilk get involved with the running of Thistle. The club would be corruptly run, breaking laws, getting caught, getting prosecuted and killing the club. Worse moral standards than that of a certain club south of the Clyde. Idiot .... if I ran the club it would always operate legally and morally have you ever been ...., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 Just now, Springburnjag said: Idiot .... if I ran the club it would always operate legally and morally have you ever been ...., Have I ever been what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 Sir Tim Berners-Lee , has said today people should think twice about what they post on the internet. I think he must have read the New Owners thread and this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springburnjag Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Garscube Road End said: Have I ever been what? Never fone anything wrong ? No speeding ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Springburnjag said: Never fone anything wrong ? No speeding ? I have sped a car, but that is entirely different from intentionally breaking the law within a company. And your point is totally irrelevant. Total deflection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springburnjag Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Garscube Road End said: I have sped a car, but that is entirely different from intentionally breaking the law within a company. And your point is totally irrelevant. Total deflection. No my point is millions of people have broken the law eg speeding or parking and knew what they were doing ... to deny that is literally trumpian ... your deflecting .... badly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) Are we just trying to outdo the New Owner thread for silliness here? Two sides of this argument seem to be: A) You shouldn't break the law. And Thistle should be run in accordance with the law. B ) Sometimes people break the law These are not even conflicting statements! Yet we have pages of argument about it. Which mostly seems to be about people trying to sound clever. Lay off. PS Firhillista, thanks for your sensible interjection. Totally agree Edited November 25, 2019 by allyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 Just now, Springburnjag said: No my point is millions of people have broken the law eg speeding or parking and knew what they were doing ... to deny that is literally trumpian ... your deflecting .... badly Your comments have made it pretty clear that you are blase about companies law being broken, because everybody breaks a law. Your moral compass is way off whack. Shameful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, Springburnjag said: I never suggested that to be clear and I hope we never would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Garscube Road End said: Your comments have made it pretty clear that you are blase about companies law being broken, because everybody breaks a law. Your moral compass is way off whack. Shameful. I felt the need to interject even from the delights of Madrid .... this thread has got way off track .... there is only one choice on the table .... fan ownership either we make that work and be the best that it can or we don’t I don’t accept the conspiracy theories or negative views until there is a reason to do so but I guess we’re Scottish do it’s all sh*t what’s the question Edited November 25, 2019 by javeajag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springburnjag Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, Garscube Road End said: Your comments have made it pretty clear that you are blase about companies law being broken, because everybody breaks a law. Your moral compass is way off whack. Shameful. Nope ..., just trying to explain how things actually work .... how do you think the financial crisis happened everybody was playing by the rules ? I have a moral compass you just gave insults Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Springburnjag said: Nope ..., just trying to explain how things actually work .... how do you think the financial crisis happened everybody was playing by the rules ? I have a moral compass you just gave insults I think your moral compass is showing you the wrong direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Springburnjag said: Nope ..., just trying to explain how things actually work .... how do you think the financial crisis happened everybody was playing by the rules ? I have a moral compass you just gave insults Springburnjag, I haven't disagreed with much that you've said. It's just pretty much been obvious facts. People lie, people cheat, been true since the dawn of time (ok not strictly astronomically true, but anyway). But I've lost track of the point in arguing it, because we can all agree it's not the way anyone wants Thistle to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springburnjag Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Garscube Road End said: I think your moral compass is showing you the wrong direction. In trying to explain the world you do not have to accept it .....as Marx said philosophers have interpreted the world the point is to change it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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