dibble Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 Really interesting what McCall was saying today about convincing the board that the team requires major surgery and to spend more than planned but that that would be more cost effective in the long run rather than chopping and changing every transfer window. Does anyone have any idea of the cost of letting players go before a contract ends . With Harkins or miller do you have to pay up the full value of their contract or do you sometimes pay a one off fee - less than that value and the player gets another contract so financially is better off? I read that miller agreed to rip up his contract ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, dibble said: Really interesting what McCall was saying today about convincing the board that the team requires major surgery and to spend more than planned but that that would be more cost effective in the long run rather than chopping and changing every transfer window. Does anyone have any idea of the cost of letting players go before a contract ends . With Harkins or miller do you have to pay up the full value of their contract or do you sometimes pay a one off fee - less than that value and the player gets another contract so financially is better off? I read that miller agreed to rip up his contract ? Everything is negotiable. There are many, many ways to get a player to leave by 'mutual consent'. One of the most obvious is to parp him off to another club with the difference in his new (lower) contract and his existing contract being paid by the original club for the length of the original agreement. Lump sum payments too, although those may be staged due to tax implications. Kenny Miller probably came to a private agreement, given that unlike players 10-15 years younger at our level, he won't (or shouldn't) be needing money for his mortgage payments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 hours ago, dibble said: Really interesting what McCall was saying today about convincing the board that the team requires major surgery and to spend more than planned but that that would be more cost effective in the long run rather than chopping and changing every transfer window. Does anyone have any idea of the cost of letting players go before a contract ends . With Harkins or miller do you have to pay up the full value of their contract or do you sometimes pay a one off fee - less than that value and the player gets another contract so financially is better off? I read that miller agreed to rip up his contract ? If the bit in bold is true then Miller has went up in my estimation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 Turning into one of our best transfer windows for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleD Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 9 hours ago, laukat said: I don't recall McCall playing 3-5-2 much with Ayr so I would agree we are likely to play diamond in a 4-4-2. I suspect it will be like this Fox O'Connell-Saunders-O'Ware-Penrice MacKinnon Cole Bannigan Zannatta Rudden Graham Hopefully we sign a left sided central defender in which case Saunders drops out and O'Ware moves across. I think Zannatta will play just behind the front players as per Chris Erskine where he may be able to cause a bit more chaos. Its not impossible it becomes a 4-3-3 with Graham in the centre and Rudden and Zannatta either side. I think Zannatta's pace makes him a key component but sticking him on the wing means he has limited chance to influence play. I think it will be a 352 tomorrow with O'Connor and Graham replacing Robson and Miller who started v Celtic. If it is a diamond in midfield your team could be right but I think Barjonas would maybe start ahead of Zanatta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted January 24, 2020 Report Share Posted January 24, 2020 47 minutes ago, laukat said: If the bit in bold is true then Miller has went up in my estimation. Think the circumstances are a bit different for Miller and Harkins Kenny Miller can probably afford to rip up his contract due to the career he’s had at the top level Harkins will probably be looking for a pay off as he’s probably the same as the rest of us with bills to pay . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyjag Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 Any ideas who the other names mcall was referring to still hopefully to come in....anyone please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Happyjag said: Any ideas who the other names mcall was referring to still hopefully to come in....anyone please Mayo from Rangers has been frequently linked to come on loan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 12 hours ago, dibble said: Really interesting what McCall was saying today about convincing the board that the team requires major surgery and to spend more than planned but that that would be more cost effective in the long run rather than chopping and changing every transfer window. Does anyone have any idea of the cost of letting players go before a contract ends . With Harkins or miller do you have to pay up the full value of their contract or do you sometimes pay a one off fee - less than that value and the player gets another contract so financially is better off? I read that miller agreed to rip up his contract ? I was wondering whether the fact that we have a board in limbo at the moment means that there isn’t actually anyone holding the purse strings who will have responsibility at the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Lenziejag said: I was wondering whether the fact that we have a board in limbo at the moment means that there isn’t actually anyone holding the purse strings who will have responsibility at the end of the season. That’s a reasonable question .....but I’m not sure we can actually spend money we don’t have as we don’t have ant borrowing or overdraft facilities? It’s possible the Celtic gave us some headroom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 On 1/23/2020 at 4:59 PM, Yellow & Redneck said: I think some people (not necessarily on here, but on social media) have been awfully harsh towards Miller, and it is certainly unwarranted. I don't think this contribution was necessarily worth the huge wage bill that he was purported to be on - that's pretty self-evident. But despite being 40, the guy still managed to score more league goals in his first 6-months here than Doolan managed during the whole of the 16-17, and 17-18 season. For anyone, and I mean anyone, to still be playing FT professional football at the age of 40 is a massive achievement, and we currently have players half his age who haven't shown the level of fitness or ability that he has. Ultimately with Rudden and Graham coming in, I think it was the right decision. We need to be looking to the future. But I think it would serve some people well to remember that we could easily be completely cut adrift at the bottom of the table at this moment if it wasn't for a decent spell from him at the start of the season. The fact, it is reported, that he still is seeking out first-team football at his age is a testament to his character and work rate. Kenny Miller started 20 league games this season, came on as a sub once and scored 5 goals, set up 1. Total 1753 minutes (350 m a goal) Doolan 17-18 started 14, subbed on 14 league games scored 4 set up 2. Total match time 1376 minutes (344 m a goal) Doolan 18-19 started 24 , subbed on 6 league games, scored 6 set up 2. Total match time 2062 minutes (343 m a goal) Millers return or contribution is not any better than Doolan on either of those seasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, javeajag said: That’s a reasonable question .....but I’m not sure we can actually spend money we don’t have as we don’t have ant borrowing or overdraft facilities? It’s possible the Celtic gave us some headroom Technically we could overspend as our £300k ? cash reserves would act as a buffer till its drawn down. I cannot hough see Thistle Fans who are on the board allowing that. Celtic game will help, Miller off the wage bill would probably cover 2 or 3 players depending on their wage demands at this level (3 Rudden’s, 2 Graham’s ), not sure how much (if any) contribution we paid QPR for Kakay but with wages significantly higher down there that may have freed up more spend than 1 player. I think we may be spending slightly more than December but have more scope, depth and quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 18 minutes ago, Norgethistle said: Technically we could overspend as our £300k ? cash reserves would act as a buffer till its drawn down. I cannot hough see Thistle Fans who are on the board allowing that. Celtic game will help, Miller off the wage bill would probably cover 2 or 3 players depending on their wage demands at this level (3 Rudden’s, 2 Graham’s ), not sure how much (if any) contribution we paid QPR for Kakay but with wages significantly higher down there that may have freed up more spend than 1 player. I think we may be spending slightly more than December but have more scope, depth and quality. Let’s be optimistic in the meantime ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, javeajag said: Let’s be optimistic in the meantime ! I am being if you fully read the post, I think we’ve removed a high wage and replaced with a few “hungrier” lower wages and utilized the cup money well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jags on tour Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said: Mayo from Rangers has been frequently linked to come on loan He ruled out a move for Mayo as Rangers had a few injuries at centre back I’m sure. I loved his Jagzone interview where he referred to the board as ‘ the high heid yeens’, brilliant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 Shame. Mayo would have been good in the dressing room. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Norgethistle said: I am being if you fully read the post, I think we’ve removed a high wage and replaced with a few “hungrier” lower wages and utilized the cup money well. Wasn’t making any Criticism ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: Shame. Mayo would have been good in the dressing room. Not to much Mayo, players have to watch their diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dl1971 Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Norgethistle said: Kenny Miller started 20 league games this season, came on as a sub once and scored 5 goals, set up 1. Total 1753 minutes (350 m a goal) Doolan 17-18 started 14, subbed on 14 league games scored 4 set up 2. Total match time 1376 minutes (344 m a goal) Doolan 18-19 started 24 , subbed on 6 league games, scored 6 set up 2. Total match time 2062 minutes (343 m a goal) Millers return or contribution is not any better than Doolan on either of those seasons Very similar I agree. Maybe we should have kept him similar to those who wanted Dools to stay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted January 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Norgethistle said: Kenny Miller started 20 league games this season, came on as a sub once and scored 5 goals, set up 1. Total 1753 minutes (350 m a goal) Doolan 17-18 started 14, subbed on 14 league games scored 4 set up 2. Total match time 1376 minutes (344 m a goal) Doolan 18-19 started 24 , subbed on 6 league games, scored 6 set up 2. Total match time 2062 minutes (343 m a goal) Millers return or contribution is not any better than Doolan on either of those seasons Why omit cup.games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 Andrew Rodden joins Annan on loan for the rest of the season. Andrew played for Thistle in the Glasgow cup tie against the Rangers on Tuesday. Annan are currently 4th in league 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, jagfox said: Why omit cup.games? I can give you the stats for all, but league determines the survival of the club Miller - 10 goals 1 assist in 2639 minutes. (1 goal / 264 minutes) Doolan (18/19) - 6 goals 2 assists in 2683 minutes. (1 goal / 447 minutes) Doolan (17/18) - 11 goals 4 assists in 2367 minutes. (1 goal / 215 minutes). Miller is a better challenge cup player Edited January 25, 2020 by Norgethistle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Passenger Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Norgethistle said: I can give you the stats for all, but league determines the survival of the club Cup games have an impact, too, particularly if a player's contribution leads to a money-spinning tie with the proceeds being used to improve the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Passenger Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 8:32 PM, Dark Passenger said: No. Close, though. .............................Fox ....Saunders...O'Ware...McGinty ........................MacKinnon O'Connor..Cole..Bannigan..Penrice ..................Rudden...Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 18 hours ago, Big Col said: Turning into one of our best transfer windows for years. Yeh brilliant to get in a bunch more wage thieves 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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