Colognejag Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 32 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: Thing is Peter Lawwell left in July 19 And you don't think he still calls the shots?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAGSMAN1968 Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 So, is that why sevco are so upset? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/9/2020 at 2:01 PM, Barney Rubble said: Serious statistical issues to be considered: Would 0.037 of a point be regarded as statistically significant, as the difference is i) less than a point, the common measure for league table rankings and ii) less than 4% of a point in this case? The SPFL would have to explain how that decision was arrived at if tested. Following on from that, there are two clear margins for error that would have to be considered i) number of games played and ii) goal difference as a ranking measure. The first can be tested under sporting integrity as it is black and white - we have played one less game than QoS and are a point behind. With three points at stake, then the opening question about margin for error, and the significance of the fractions involved is clearly a matter for scrutiny at a higher level than SPFL. Relegation under those circumstances would be extremely difficult for the SPFL to justify with any credibility. This story still has a distance to go to fully unfold. Called it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colognejag Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, JAGSMAN1968 said: So, is that why sevco are so upset? Maybe, but Milne and I think the ex-Hamilton chairman said Lawell has too much influence. if this is proof, then not surprised Rangers would go for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag36 Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dramatic-detail-dundee-missing-vote-21851274 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirdrieJag Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 36 minutes ago, exiledjag said: I think this is why Rangers are so angry. Lawell is a mover and shaker and it appears doesn't need to be on the SPFL Board to influence matters. One wonders if Doncaster was 'reporting to/checking in with' his boss! Stuart Milne the now retired Aberdeen Chairman did say when leaving his position at Aberdeen that Lawell had too much influence! So perhaps this is an example - influence without accountability! Rangers will love it if they cam implicate Lawell! This whole affair is getting dirtier and dirtier and Dundee need to be very very careful otherwise they may face legal consequences by association. I would like to think the revelations will force them to standby their agreement with ICY & Jags! orchestrating this from minute 1. Neil Lennon, interviewed on BBC after the shutdown said that Sellick should be crowned champions and the leagues should be decided on points per game across the season. Strange that that's effectively what the SPFL proposal does. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 Miller is a bellend, and I saw that twat Sutton on BT Sport spouting similar pish Here’s Scot Gardiner on Sportsound for those that missed it and might be interested. He’s quite emotional and also refers to us as ‘Thistle’ https://m.soundcloud.com/dm7181/ict-ceo-scot-gardiner-on-bbc-sportsound-11th-april-2020 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flycatcher Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, One t in Scotland said: I urge people to listen back to Sportsound today. Utterly incredible level of corruption and deceit. I'll be thinking carefully which away games I attend on the future. And Doncaster appears to have disappeared. Everybody please hear the bbc Scottish football podcast..... This makes Past corrupt football in Italy the most honest in euro football....... If we are going down I hope ALL Jags fans refuse to go to these away games... As the Forfar chairman said he voted for us to be relegated!!!! Edited April 11, 2020 by Flycatcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, AirdrieJag said: orchestrating this from minute 1. Neil Lennon, interviewed on BBC after the shutdown said that Sellick should be crowned champions and the leagues should be decided on points per game across the season. Strange that that's effectively what the SPFL proposal does. This 100%. Not a bit surprised if Lawell is behind this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 Took the dug for a walk just after 3 as it was melting my heid - didn't think it could get any worse - the Forfar statement beggars belief while the h*ns statement is dynamite (although somebody should tell their web team that we're now in 2020). Not surprisingly, the knee-jerk SPFL have fired back a response to the h*ns asking them to put up or shut up basically. Hopefully the information can be passed to the fraud squad for proper investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 5 hours ago, allyo said: You think all the other clubs will boycott us for voting no? Can if they want. Feck em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 3 hours ago, scotty said: Forfar chairman has just said that they voted yes in order to have both Thistle and Falkirk in league 1 next season. Scumbags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsca Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 hours ago, jlsarmy said: The timeline is interesting, first phone call Doncaster made after Dundee’s ‘ NO’ vote was to Peter Lawwell who isn’t even on the SPFL board ! How do you know that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimeWriterJag Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 After 2004, I always held a bit of negativity towards ICT. Changing the rules halfway the season to shaft us (and other teams who forked out to meet requirements) was just unacceptable. Listening to their chairman today has completely changed my attitude towards them. Sticking to their guns, despite the possible financial implications, for the sake to a fellow team is outstanding. Also calling us ‘Thistle’ was class. BBC have also published photos of the 3 no votes on their website. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimeWriterJag Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52253331 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 F**k em all - I’m not going to any away games next season . Hope they all go bankrupt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, CrimeWriterJag said: After 2004, I always held a bit of negativity towards ICT. Changing the rules halfway the season to shaft us (and other teams who forked out to meet requirements) was just unacceptable. Listening to their chairman today has completely changed my attitude towards them. Sticking to their guns, despite the possible financial implications, for the sake to a fellow team is outstanding. Also calling us ‘Thistle’ was class. BBC have also published photos of the 3 no votes on their website. Exactly how i felt as well after 2004. I felt ICT chairman today sounded very dissapointed and let down by Dundee. Considering ICT would have received over £300,000 next week, if this vote had been passed. It says a lot for them sticking to what they had agreed to do, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Peebles Tackle Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 Anyway, Inverness were good, Forfar daft... What now?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter of '63 Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 My recollection is that they managed to miscount the vote at the initial meeting in 2004 and had to be corrected when they tried to announce that the vote to relegate us had been passed - there were only 12 votes to count! I am therefore not surprised that an email from Dundee which went against the desired result was conveniently "lost". My resentment at the vote relegation vote in 2004 was not directed against Inverness, who were given the opportunity to be promoted but against Hearts, Hibs , Aberdeen (who picked up the ground rent) and Motherwell( who survived relegation the previous year on the ground rule) The Forfar Chairman was speaking from his own club's self -interest which is that they will benefit from playing Thistle rather than Stranraer. If we play at Forfar next season (whenever that might be) it would be good if Thistle fans instead of going to Station Park bought tickets for an Inverness home game instead. Dundee have clearly been got at. This will now turn into part of the Old Firm Punch & Judy show...which might be our best chance of avoiding relegation by diktat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dl1971 Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, Winter of '63 said: My recollection is that they managed to miscount the vote at the initial meeting in 2004 and had to be corrected when they tried to announce that the vote to relegate us had been passed - there were only 12 votes to count! I am therefore not surprised that an email from Dundee which went against the desired result was conveniently "lost". My resentment at the vote relegation vote in 2004 was not directed against Inverness, who were given the opportunity to be promoted but against Hearts, Hibs , Aberdeen (who picked up the ground rent) and Motherwell( who survived relegation the previous year on the ground rule) The Forfar Chairman was speaking from his own club's self -interest which is that they will benefit from playing Thistle rather than Stranraer. If we play at Forfar next season (whenever that might be) it would be good if Thistle fans instead of going to Station Park bought tickets for an Inverness home game instead. Dundee have clearly been got at. This will now turn into part of the Old Firm Punch & Judy show...which might be our best chance of avoiding relegation by diktat. Dundee now between a rock and a hard place. They are absolutely fecked by the ICT timeline. The corruption is as transparent as you are ever likely to see. Whatever Doncaster and Lawwells role is on this they are on the shoggliest of pegs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirdrieJag Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, dl1971 said: Dundee now between a rock and a hard place. They are absolutely fecked by the ICT timeline. The corruption is as transparent as you are ever likely to see. Whatever Doncaster and Lawwells role is on this they are on the shoggliest of pegs. Be in no doubt, Lawell has been orchestrating this from minute 1. Neil Lennon, interviewed on BBC after the shutdown said that Sellick should be crowned champions and the leagues should be decided on points per game across the season. Strange that that's effectively what the SPFL proposal does. Edited April 11, 2020 by AirdrieJag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Third Lanark said: Just heard this too - his sole motivation to get Falkirk and Partick Thistle in their division for the travelling support. hopefully jags fans considering going to this ground next season have a think again Didn't stop jags fans going to Love St after the thistlegate voting farce. Almost identical situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, dl1971 said: Dundee now between a rock and a hard place. They are absolutely fecked by the ICT timeline. The corruption is as transparent as you are ever likely to see. Whatever Doncaster and Lawwells role is on this they are on the shoggliest of pegs. Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 47 minutes ago, Gary Peebles Tackle said: Anyway, Inverness were good, Forfar daft... What now?!? This vote should be declared cancelled because of the problems with it(farcical/corrupt ?). Resignation's from the SPFL chiefs. Change the SPFL name, the P stands for Proffesional, really. Also maybe sponsors of the leagues and Sky will be checking their contracts as they might not want associated with this whole farcical/embarrassing situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alb Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 Shall we be seeing Dundee drop Drysdale in it and claim he was not acting in the way the club wished, fire him/pay him off under a nda and then vote Yes....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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