Dick Dastardly Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Lenziejag said: Does this country not have anti bribery laws ? I'm not sure that there is any bribery, certainly not that would stand up in court. Doncaster has just given Dundee a once in a lifetime bargaining position which they have chosen to exploit, in the best interest of DFC. What they want wont be monetary, more a change in the terms of the deal set out by the SPFL (perhaps no promotion for United !) What will be interesting is the evidence that Rangers can produce. It looks like either Doncaster goes, or Rangers will be in big trouble. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: I'm not sure that there is any bribery, certainly not that would stand up in court. Doncaster has just given Dundee a once in a lifetime bargaining position which they have chosen to exploit, in the best interest of DFC. What they want wont be monetary, more a change in the terms of the deal set out by the SPFL (perhaps no promotion for United !) What will be interesting is the evidence that Rangers can produce. It looks like either Doncaster goes, or Rangers will be in big trouble. win-win But being less flippant, I agree. I don't have any faith in the motives behind the proposal, and suspect a very strong Celtic influence, but neither do believe that this is Rangers standing up for "sporting integrity". Who knows, maybe a diddy club with a bargaining chip will be good for all of us. Edited April 12, 2020 by allyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: I'm not sure that there is any bribery, certainly not that would stand up in court. Doncaster has just given Dundee a once in a lifetime bargaining position which they have chosen to exploit, in the best interest of DFC. What they want wont be monetary, more a change in the terms of the deal set out by the SPFL (perhaps no promotion for United !) What will be interesting is the evidence that Rangers can produce. It looks like either Doncaster goes, or Rangers will be in big trouble. The speed and strength of the spfl response coupled with rangers reticence to produce the evidence makes me think the smoking gun could be underwhelming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Typical are prone to this kind of bluster. I wouldn't get carried away by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 I can't believe that I agree with a lot (not everything) from an article in the Record. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-rangers-title-spat-shows-21852483 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: I can't believe that I agree with a lot (not everything) from an article in the Record. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-rangers-title-spat-shows-21852483 The influence from Celtic re the average points came from Lawwell and Lennon , the financial blackmail not releasing funds is an absolute joke unless the Clubs agreed to the proposal put forward . And then you come to the way the Vote was administered, putting the vote on their website before it was complete. Doncaster & Co’s tenures are now untenable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 I saw this interview with Ross Docherty https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-double-whammy-being-served-21850745 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: The influence from Celtic re the average points came from Lawwell and Lennon , the financial blackmail not releasing funds is an absolute joke unless the Clubs agreed to the proposal put forward . And then you come to the way the Vote was administered, putting the vote on their website before it was complete. Doncaster & Co’s tenures are now untenable And only 7 out of 42 clubs voted against the proposal , so perhaps the majority will conclude he has done an ok job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 minute ago, jaf said: And only 7 out of 42 clubs voted against the proposal , so perhaps the majority will conclude he has done an ok job? I think many voted for the proposal because they were told it’s the only way to get money ......Michael Stewart said yesterday half the premier were against it but felt they had no alternative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 23 minutes ago, jaggy said: I saw this interview with Ross Docherty https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-double-whammy-being-served-21850745 Thanks for posting this Jaggy and fair play to Ross for saying that he will have no problem with playing for us in league one, even though understandably it’s not what he wanted. A couple of Ayr United fans had said on pie and bovril he would definitely keep his word on staying with the jags (even though let’s face it he would be entitled to back out with our possible expulsion down the league) and in their words will be an outstanding signing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Though primarily giving money to Partick Thistle during these unsettling times. Made a donation to Stranraer who like us face a completely unfair expulsion and will no doubt struggle financially if anyone else is interested in making a donation here is a link http://www.stranraerfc.org/index.php/77-latest-news/1740-relive-donate-a-ticket 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, jaf said: And only 7 out of 42 clubs voted against the proposal , so perhaps the majority will conclude he has done an ok job? It was financial blackmail at 2 days notice with no alternatives which is nonsense, the Clubs were pressured to get prize money released and also the rhetoric your fellow Clubs will go bankrupt otherwise , they didn’t have much of a choice. This should have been debated at length over a period of time , with Peter Lawwell’s phone on silent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 12 hours ago, jaggy said: Remind me of this one please? If you mean 2004 I don’t know where St Mirren come into it Sorry should've been clearer. During the voting farce with the SPL, Gilmour at St Mirren (who didn't have a vote) was widely quoted urging the SPL to demote us. St Mirren of course by the very nature of the affair should've been one of our strongest allies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydebankJag Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Even when the lockdown is eased we won’t go back to normal. Without a vaccine the government will need to enforce social distancing so gatherings of people will remain restricted, or the disease will spread rapidly and overwhelm the NHS. Football may resume but we won’t be allowed to pile into grounds and stand side by side as we traditionally do. The best that can be hoped for is games behind closed doors but with fears of fans turning up to try and see in the grounds is that really going to be allowed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One t in Scotland Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Raith Rovers now saying 'let's do the least damage to the least number of clubs' This RFC style boycott list getting longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West of Scotland Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, ClydebankJag said: Even when the lockdown is eased we won’t go back to normal. Without a vaccine the government will need to enforce social distancing so gatherings of people will remain restricted, or the disease will spread rapidly and overwhelm the NHS. Football may resume but we won’t be allowed to pile into grounds and stand side by side as we traditionally do. The best that can be hoped for is games behind closed doors but with fears of fans turning up to try and see in the grounds is that really going to be allowed? 500 people standing on that wee bit of the canal where they can keek into the ground? Seems farfetched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 2 hours ago, javeajag said: petition to remove Doncaster http://chng.it/jT9K9CPFmz Signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) How appropriate is it that a number of people in Scottish football have ended up with egg on their face this Easter weekend. Happy Easter everybody. Also the document that was given to the clubs to read and vote on within 2 days was over 100 pages. Calling it a rushed job is being kind to it. Edited April 12, 2020 by Auld Jag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 33 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: Sorry should've been clearer. During the voting farce with the SPL, Gilmour at St Mirren (who didn't have a vote) was widely quoted urging the SPL to demote us. St Mirren of course by the very nature of the affair should've been one of our strongest allies. Thanks. I sort of remember the name Gilmour having input but wasn’t sure why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 How must it feel to be managing the PR team at Dundee FC this morning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Is there any rule that says that we and ICT can’t withdraw our votes and join in the negotiations, thus diluting DFC position ? (ie we will change our vote to yes if there is no relegation) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: Is there any rule that says that we and ICT can’t withdraw our votes and join in the negotiations, thus diluting DFC position ? (ie we will change our vote to yes if there is no relegation) There is rules ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 hour ago, jaf said: And only 7 out of 42 clubs voted against the proposal , so perhaps the majority will conclude he has done an ok job? The clubs were effectively told it was a take it or leave it deal, vote against it and smaller clubs will go to the wall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydebankJag Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 51 minutes ago, West of Scotland said: 500 people standing on that wee bit of the canal where they can keek into the ground? Seems farfetched. Ignore us in all this, we’re small fry in the crowd debate. How many Liverpool fans will hang around Anfield on the day their team clinches the title? Do you honestly think everyone will stay home and no one will go out, even if they do what about afterwards, when they pile out to celebrate on the streets. Football behind closed doors is a non starter. Crowds in grounds again is a non starter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 2 hours ago, jaf said: The speed and strength of the spfl response coupled with rangers reticence to produce the evidence makes me think the smoking gun could be underwhelming. From what I’ve heard the Rangers response with the evidence will be presented from a unified front of multiple clubs, this now appears to be a (growing) group who are going to out Doncaster and his puppet master 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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