Dick Dastardly Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jag36 said: You could be right..but think the rules were that once you've submitted a vote it can't be changed. Hence why the Dundee vote was 'never recieved' rather than they just retracted it. Could be wrong there though A NO could be changed to a YES within 28 days. I'm not sure that it is possible to withdraw a vote and we certainly don't want to change to a YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag36 Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Dick Dastardly said: A NO could be changed to a YES within 28 days. I'm not sure that it is possible to withdraw a vote and we certainly don't want to change to a YES We certainly don't. Doesn't look like us withdrawing over vote would have any bearing. Think in this respect Dundee hold all the cards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dl1971 Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 Part of our legal case is that you cant change your vote once lodged. However in theory we could withdraw it and let's see what the SPFL do then. What would Dundee do.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARu-Strathbungo Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 5 hours ago, javeajag said: Yes probably not in September no sh*t sherlock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, ARu-Strathbungo said: no sh*t sherlock Probably doesn’t mean definitely Watson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag36 Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 24 minutes ago, dl1971 said: Part of our legal case is that you cant change your vote once lodged. However in theory we could withdraw it and let's see what the SPFL do then. What would Dundee do.....? Im i missing something here or does the motion not just need 8 out of 10 yes votes to pass? Therefore whether we vote Yes, No or nothing doesnt actually matter cause if Dundee vote yes then motion is passed as 8 out of 10 Yes votes has been achieved. Us retracting our vote makes no difference and wont hold anything up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 20 minutes ago, ARu-Strathbungo said: no sh*t sherlock Probably doesn’t mean definitely Watson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 The only way we'd hold any cards is if we withdrew our vote, Dundee voted no, and then we'd have the power to relegate ourselves. Doesn't sound either feasible or appealing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delurker Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 Great statement from the club, and damning (for the spfl) legal opinion (yes, i read it). For those asking why the haste from above to close the season; they want to avoid having to finish this season later and delay the new one, when their new Sky tv deal starts. Nothing must be allowed to disrupt the new TV money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
policemans whistle Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 It would be interesting to find how this vote came about. I read Doncaster made the proposal, but what journey does it make before it reaches him. Also who is on the committee? Looking at the Spfl website, there is no section giving the names of office bearers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 team in glasgow Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, delurker said: Great statement from the club, and damning (for the spfl) legal opinion (yes, i read it). For those asking why the haste from above to close the season; they want to avoid having to finish this season later and delay the new one, when their new Sky tv deal starts. Nothing must be allowed to disrupt the new TV money. Which is why league reconstruction won’t happen unfortunately. Edited April 14, 2020 by 1 team in glasgow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971jag Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 What would be the barrier to completing this season to a finish, whenever that is possible, and shortening the following season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delurker Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 38 minutes ago, policemans whistle said: It would be interesting to find how this vote came about. I read Doncaster made the proposal, but what journey does it make before it reaches him. Also who is on the committee? Looking at the Spfl website, there is no section giving the names of office bearers. There's an article in the news section detailing the election of the board members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delurker Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 37 minutes ago, 1 team in glasgow said: Which is why league reconstruction won’t happen unfortunately. Agreed. Those with their noses currently in the trough won't share it with any extra noses. Unless forced to by the prospect of legal action against this whole corrupt process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Norgethistle said: Our defense and midfield stand on the goal line holding hands at corners. Fox will be ok he’s usually 2 yards behind the line Fox will be liable to a police warning and possible thirty quid fine then Norge - 2 yards is about 6 inches short of the required metric separation distance! Mind you a woman in front of me queuing to get into Aldi today seemed to interpret 2 metres as about 25 feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delurker Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 37 minutes ago, 1971jag said: What would be the barrier to completing this season to a finish, whenever that is possible, and shortening the following season? The new TV deal. Current prem sides won't allow anything to disrupt or delay the new TV money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 8 hours ago, jags on tour said: Can’t help but feel we’ll be the most hated club after all this happens for prolonging the season instead of just saying ‘Aye just relegate us, we don’t mind.’ I think we are right to do what we are doing but think it’s just delaying the inevitable, they will never null and void the season, realistically the season won’t get finished and there will be another vote later to end the season which will get accepted as other clubs chairmans are too scared to upset the big teams. I can’t see reconstruction happening either. "Most hated club": I think I'd prefer that to the "cuddly toy" image that sees us getting kicked around and relegated any time the blazers need a rag doll. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlgarveJag Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 12 hours ago, dl1971 said: Part of our legal case is that you cant change your vote once lodged. However in theory we could withdraw it and let's see what the SPFL do then. What would Dundee do.....? Dl1971, I read our legal opinion as a vote should be taken as cast when it is sent and once cast it cannot be withdrawn. So our argument is that the Dundee vote is cast. Dundee have asked that their vote is ignored as the SPFL subsequently admitted receiving it. Dundee may, of course, change a NO vote to a YES but they haven't done that. Pedantic but how I read it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 Looks like Dundee have got reconstruction on the agenda with an splf task force set up. I just hope that they take the role seriously. My preference would be for a 14-16-16 set up but that might be too much change and might not get past the SPL self interest. 12-12-10-10 might be easiest to implement and there would only be winners from that with no losers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a f kincaid Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 Probably the stuff about the missing PDF document is academic now but did anyone else notice the voting instructions were to reply by FAX? There's once sentence in the Opinion with 132 words! I wonder if these guys are paid by the word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve61 Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: Looks like Dundee have got reconstruction on the agenda with an splf task force set up. I just hope that they take the role seriously. My preference would be for a 14-16-16 set up but that might be too much change and might not get past the SPL self interest. 12-12-10-10 might be easiest to implement and there would only be winners from that with no losers. You say 'no losers'. What division would you have Hearts, Dundee Utd, ourselves and Raith in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: Looks like Dundee have got reconstruction on the agenda with an splf task force set up. I just hope that they take the role seriously. My preference would be for a 14-16-16 set up but that might be too much change and might not get past the SPL self interest. 12-12-10-10 might be easiest to implement and there would only be winners from that with no losers. There would be losers. League 1 would lose its biggest clubs. It's just a more equitable share of the losses. There will be losers however this is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirdrieJag Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 16 hours ago, jlsarmy said: Think you’re 100% correct That's absolutely what it's about. UEFA will call the leagues on 23rd April and Celtic know that through Lawell's back room dealings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 Another day, another SPFL Board Meeting at 5pm. What a mess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve61 Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 The only re-structuring in my opinion that would work is 14-10-10-10 Div 2 Promote Cove and Edinburgh. Bring in Brora and Lowland winners. Elgin are currently 3rd but 12 points behind Edinburgh. Div 1 Promote Raith and Falkirk. (airdrie might be miffed but are points behind Falkirk and they did vote YES) Championship is the awkward on. Promote Utd and either ICT or Dundee. No relegation in any division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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