Auld Jag Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 Aberdeen asking for a delay to ending season, to study options for completing fixtures. This is the same Aberdeen who voted to end the season early in the lower leagues. Double standards comes to mind. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARu-Strathbungo Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 The Juniors were pushed into this, I don't think anyone was happy about the outcome [especially AT], but the added complication that the next season they, the Juniors, will now play football in a series of leagues within the pyramid system of a West of Scotland league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotterJag Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Auld Jag said: Aberdeen asking for a delay to ending season, to study options for completing fixtures. This is the same Aberdeen who voted to end the season early in the lower leagues. Double standards comes to mind. Voted to get their chunk of money and now it seems trying to get more, having already deprived others of theirs. As disgusting as the rest of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 hour ago, CotterJag said: Voted to get their chunk of money and now it seems trying to get more, having already deprived others of theirs. As disgusting as the rest of them. Premier league money was not distributed as the league was not terminated. That was just the lower leagues. Still double standards 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinhead Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 7 hours ago, West of Scotland said: Too many professional clubs in Scottish football? I wonder who gets to decide which clubs live or die? Maybe us, because we're such bastions of sporting morality. I'm sure the economy will make that decision for a lot of clubs soon enough. Nobody dies, they just find their level. They can make it into the two leagues and progress should they be capable or want to go as far as their heart is content. But if the money for 42 clubs was split between say 28/30 clubs and less games/bigger leagues i think it would make for a better all round game. We need 2 professional leagues, 4 leagues for a country the size of Scotland is mental! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 5 hours ago, javeajag said: For virus nerds....Germany approves vaccine trial https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-latest-germany-approves-human-vaccine-trials/a-53204428 I think there is also one starting in the UK tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, Pinhead said: Nobody dies, they just find their level. They can make it into the two leagues and progress should they be capable or want to go as far as their heart is content. But if the money for 42 clubs was split between say 28/30 clubs and less games/bigger leagues i think it would make for a better all round game. We need 2 professional leagues, 4 leagues for a country the size of Scotland is mental! I am not sure that there is a lot of difference between league 2 and some of the juniors. I think that the clubs that are more likely to go under are the championship clubs. Spent money trying to get into the premiership without getting the prize money to compensate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledjag Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 3 hours ago, Lenziejag said: I am not sure that there is a lot of difference between league 2 and some of the juniors. I think that the clubs that are more likely to go under are the championship clubs. Spent money trying to get into the premiership without getting the prize money to compensate. Agree with you! Although fans are contributing to the The Jags financially, I am glad we were reported as debt free at the start of this lockdown! Championship Clubs that started the lockdown already in debt will be in trouble if the prize money they received runs out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfirejkl Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Pinhead said: Nobody dies, they just find their level. They can make it into the two leagues and progress should they be capable or want to go as far as their heart is content. But if the money for 42 clubs was split between say 28/30 clubs and less games/bigger leagues i think it would make for a better all round game. We need 2 professional leagues, 4 leagues for a country the size of Scotland is mental! Don’t understand a 4 league system in a country of less than 6m I understand that there is the selling point of the Old Firm 4 times a season, but who else wants to play another team 4 times Just hope enough teams survive the next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 11 hours ago, Lenziejag said: I think there is also one starting in the UK tomorrow. There are two in the UK....oxford and imperial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgow Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 18 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said: To be fair, average point is what they used for our league. The difference is that no teams changed places as a result. According to article in DR, it was an “independent decision” not made by the clubs. At least they got that bit right. Plus sharing of title where it was too close to call (Darvel & Blantyre), as should have happened with Raith & Falkirk. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tommy-sloan-junior-league-decision-21910279.amp?__twitter_impression=true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 8 hours ago, Cfirejkl said: Don’t understand a 4 league system in a country of less than 6m I understand that there is the selling point of the Old Firm 4 times a season, but who else wants to play another team 4 times Just hope enough teams survive the next year. The other teams in the Premier League want to play the Old Firm 4 times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledjag Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 Maybe someday those in football will listen to the fans. Football is the only entertainment industry that doesn't pay any attention to its customers and then wonders why more people don't attend games! We suffer from too many clubs and small leagues that don't work! I have stated a preference for 3 Leagues of 14 but I would really like to return to a first division of 18 teams (playing 34 games a season). In addition Gate money to be split between the teams 50/50 or 55/45 after expenses are deducted (stewards, police etc). Rangers and Celtic have not prospered by keeping their gate money. Neither is anywhere near winning or reaching a European Final. Under the above arrangement all clubs will find their footballing and financial level in time. Clubs like Killie, Hibs, St Johnstone and hopefully eventually The Jags will earn more from a 45/50% split of gate money from one away game at Celtic and Rangers than under the present system of 4 home games. If Rangers (once they are financially stable) and Celtic don't like it tell them to go and play somewhere else! We all did better in a bigger league. Celtic, Rangers, Kilmarnock, Dunfermline, Dundee, and to a lesser extent the Edinburgh Clubs all did better in Europe under the old 18 team League and distribution of gate money arrangements! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 Champions league final possible in August https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52386601 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 1 minute ago, javeajag said: Champions league final possible in August https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52386601 Excuse me if I don't hold my breath waiting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagtastic Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: The other teams in the Premier League want to play the Old Firm 4 times This. It's become more apparent over the last few years with teams, including us, giving up the majority of their stadium to accommodate them. The current set up is nice and cosy for any team in the Premiership, it's all very similar to the conditions that led to the SPL breakaway. The problem for the old firm now though as I see it, is that Celtic have exponentially outgrown Sevco in financial terms, since they morphed into their new entity. They've had the run of it for so long now it is hard to see how that could possibly swing back to any sort of parity even if the other half were to win a league at some point, which I personally just don't see happening anytime soon. Rangers just aren't Celtic's main focus for income these days, they'd most likely do whatever they could to widen the gap given the chance. European football / The Champions League is only going to expand over time and Celtic will be bursting to be part of that, more so than getting 4 league derby games, so a domestic league with fewer games might actually suit them in the longer term at some point. It's only at that point I could see any real expansion of the Premiership. 16 or 18 team top tier, let Celtic crack on and do what they like with regards to expanded European involvement and focus, they'll continue to make much more than the rest in any scenario anyway, and the rest of us hopefully get a more enjoyable and accessible top league set up for fans out of it. The other up-shot being that the h*ns would likely wither again without their quarterly dose of hatred fuelled affirmation to keep them going. Unlikely as that may be because in reality the other premiership clubs also still want the 4 OF gates a year along with minimal relegation risk. It will only happen if/when it suits Celtic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jagtastic said: This. It's become more apparent over the last few years with teams, including us, giving up the majority of their stadium to accommodate them. The current set up is nice and cosy for any team in the Premiership, it's all very similar to the conditions that led to the SPL breakaway. The problem for the old firm now though as I see it, is that Celtic have exponentially outgrown Sevco in financial terms, since they morphed into their new entity. They've had the run of it for so long now it is hard to see how that could possibly swing back to any sort of parity even if the other half were to win a league at some point, which I personally just don't see happening anytime soon. Rangers just aren't Celtic's main focus for income these days, they'd most likely do whatever they could to widen the gap given the chance. European football / The Champions League is only going to expand over time and Celtic will be bursting to be part of that, more so than getting 4 league derby games, so a domestic league with fewer games might actually suit them in the longer term at some point. It's only at that point I could see any real expansion of the Premiership. 16 or 18 team top tier, let Celtic crack on and do what they like with regards to expanded European involvement and focus, they'll continue to make much more than the rest in any scenario anyway, and the rest of us hopefully get a more enjoyable and accessible top league set up for fans out of it. The other up-shot being that the h*ns would likely wither again without their quarterly dose of hatred fuelled affirmation to keep them going. Unlikely as that may be because in reality the other premiership clubs also still want the 4 OF gates a year along with minimal relegation risk. It will only happen if/when it suits Celtic. A 16 or 18 team league would potentially aid Rangers trying to catch Celtic, they know Celtic have outgrown them financially so can't catch them in the current set-up unless Celtic's next manager is John Barnes. Other teams playing Celtic only twice a season have less chance of going for damage limitation, and may actually go for it against them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagtastic Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, Norgethistle said: A 16 or 18 team league would potentially aid Rangers trying to catch Celtic, they know Celtic have outgrown them financially so can't catch them in the current set-up unless Celtic's next manager is John Barnes. Other teams playing Celtic only twice a season have less chance of going for damage limitation, and may actually go for it against them Possibly. The main point is that it won’t happen without Celtic having some guaranteed extended form of European involvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 SG releasing a paper later today about what post lockdown looks like - guess that will give us a more clear view re when we can expect to next be at a game As an aside, Merkel stating Germany are easing restrictions too quickly...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 Swiss looking to restart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 59 minutes ago, jaf said: SG releasing a paper later today about what post lockdown looks like - guess that will give us a more clear view re when we can expect to next be at a game As an aside, Merkel stating Germany are easing restrictions too quickly...... Not hopeful at all , the SG seem to putting all their eggs in the one basket , seem to be holding out for a vaccine which could be 12/18 months time , by that time the economy will be an absolute disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowenBoys Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: Not hopeful at all , the SG seem to putting all their eggs in the one basket , seem to be holding out for a vaccine which could be 12/18 months time , by that time the economy will be an absolute disaster. There's another solution to this pandemic? You could be very rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowenBoys Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 I hope the SPFL and their Reconstruction Committee are studying this https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/strategy-plan/2020/04/coronavirus-covid-19-framework-decision-making/documents/coronavirus-covid-19-framework-decision-making/coronavirus-covid-19-framework-decision-making/govscot%3Adocument/coronavirus-covid-19-framework-decision-making.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, BowenBoys said: I hope the SPFL and their Reconstruction Committee are studying this https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/strategy-plan/2020/04/coronavirus-covid-19-framework-decision-making/documents/coronavirus-covid-19-framework-decision-making/coronavirus-covid-19-framework-decision-making/govscot%3Adocument/coronavirus-covid-19-framework-decision-making.pdf Why bother? It’s 26 pages of nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 15 minutes ago, BowenBoys said: There's another solution to this pandemic? You could be very rich. But we’re hedging our bets on a vaccine which may or may not come, what happens if there is no vaccine ( SARS etc) it’s a debate whether the amount of destruction by not restarting the economy is worse than the virus itself . A normal year from flu accounts for 400/500 victims whereas just now we’re standing at 1120 victims of COVID 19 which is obviously more. Just now , there are lots of businesses been affected by the lock down, some are not been helped at all by local council and government. These businesses employ lots of employees who will end up claiming benefits as some of these businesses have no chance of ever reopening especially in the Hospitality industry and I would include football in that as well . In any business if there is no revenue coming in and fixed expenditures going out wages , utilities etc they don’t last very long . The Scottish government have gave out plenty of recommendations eg no football with or without spectators but very little at this moment in the way of recompense to try and keep Clubs afloat . Playing devils advocate, there has got to be a compromise somewhere along the line or it’s going to be a bankrupt country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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