ironfist Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, javeajag said: The fact that private sector care homes did not supply ppe does mean there was a shortage of ppe in Scotland. the private ownership of care homes will be one of the casualties hopefully of the pandemic I can assure you there was a shortage of adequate PPE in Scotland. That provided did not equate to standards outlined by WHO and along with that batches of PPE supplied to Primary care later had to be recalled due to deficiencies, which meant that lots of health care workers had to source their own equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 Just now, ironfist said: I can assure you there was a shortage of adequate PPE in Scotland. That provided did not equate to standards outlined by WHO and along with that batches of PPE supplied to Primary care later had to be recalled due to deficiencies, which meant that lots of health care workers had to source their own equipment. Are you referring to the nhs or care homes here ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironfist Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 NHS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 1 hour ago, jaf said: But with much lower population density. Comparisons really are pretty meaningless. I agree. I was just clarifying what had been said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter of '63 Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 2 hours ago, jaf said: But with much lower population density. Comparisons really are pretty meaningless. Most people in Scotland's live in the densely populated Central Belt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 48 minutes ago, Winter of '63 said: Most people in Scotland's live in the densely populated Central Belt. That's why it's densely populated. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARu-Strathbungo Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) On 7/5/2020 at 2:18 PM, Norgethistle said: A fifth of England with a tenth of the population. From outside looking in neither of the parliaments seem to have done well Edited July 8, 2020 by ARu-Strathbungo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 On 7/5/2020 at 7:50 PM, Lambies Lost Doo said: Yep and a lot of others unfortunately including Sweden who tried not to action a shutdown but their death rate is very high and they ack their care home policy was wrong. Maybe their policy will be better long term but we won't know for years. For me its way to early for any real understanding or conclusion to this. Westminster and Holyrood have made mostly the same decisons with Edinburgh 7 to 10 days after London. This thing will be with us for the next year or two minimum with more deaths and outbreaks like Leicester. Policies will change. We will learn more. Practices such as social distancing, face masks etc will hopefully become the norm to control. I am scunnered by it even though I have avoided any real pain and able to work from home. At the same time things are looking slightly more positive. In Europe kids going back to school stats = low to zero risk. That will help them and parents as we hopefully get 5 days education. Testing is increasing, track and trace and hopefully an app helps us all. I think the message of getting back to normal is misplaced right now as there is no vaccine or cure. Certain parts of the world are seeing new spikes, like Victoria in Australia, probably because of restrictions easing. It’s normal for people to think the virus has gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Yeah I agree it's not "back to normal" it's the (hopefully short term) "new normal". Face masks, hand washing and lack of crowds make a big difference. That needs to continually be pushed but is it a cultural thing? NHS Glasgow are complaining internally staff are not wearing masks and being to close to each other. A&E in West London shut with a mini outbreak.among staff accused of same thing. You also need to.balance health with the economy. It's f&&&ed at the moment. People need to spend to keep jobs. A fine balancing act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Jag II Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 In the Vanarama National League, when games were stopped Ebbsfleet Utd were in 21 st position out of 24 Played 39 with 42 points. Maidenhed Utd were in 22nd place, played 38 with 41 points. Bottom 3 go down. On points per game, Ebbsfleet were removed from the league by 0.002 of a point. They do not intend to contest. What a cruel world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 25 minutes ago, East Kent Jag II said: In the Vanarama National League, when games were stopped Ebbsfleet Utd were in 21 st position out of 24 Played 39 with 42 points. Maidenhed Utd were in 22nd place, played 38 with 41 points. Bottom 3 go down. On points per game, Ebbsfleet were removed from the league by 0.002 of a point. They do not intend to contest. What a cruel world. Proof that there is always the option to accept your fate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Woodstock Jag said: Proof that there is always the option to accept your fate. Fatalism is a false premise. What will be is not necessarily what must be. P S Buck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 59 minutes ago, javeajag said: Fatalism is a false premise. What will be is not necessarily what must be. P S Buck Following that link lost me 5 seconds of my life; I was disappointed it wasn’t to one of those Hallmark card random message pages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 hour ago, javeajag said: Fatalism is a false premise. What will be is not necessarily what must be. P S Buck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Woodstock Jag said: But not that one .......and says a pessimist and fatalist .....dear oh dear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 optimistic reports on both the Moderna and Oxford vaccines reported today .....a formal update on the Oxford vaccine is expected tomorrow https://www.forbes.com/sites/petercohan/2020/07/15/will-moderna-beat-oxford-to-produce-the-first-covid-19-vaccine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted July 16, 2020 Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 14 hours ago, javeajag said: optimistic reports on both the Moderna and Oxford vaccines reported today .....a formal update on the Oxford vaccine is expected tomorrow https://www.forbes.com/sites/petercohan/2020/07/15/will-moderna-beat-oxford-to-produce-the-first-covid-19-vaccine/ Cue the good old US of A buying them all up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted July 16, 2020 Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, scotty said: Cue the good old US of A buying them all up The U.K. already has a deal for the Oxford vaccine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 hypocrisy at it’s finest. http://www.celticfc.net/news/18332 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rid Skwerr Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ blatant self-interest, disguised as concern for the welfare of fans. ...and so it continues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, elevenone said: hypocrisy at it’s finest. http://www.celticfc.net/news/18332 Using soap and water or hand sanitiser, will never catch on with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Auld Jag said: Using soap and water or hand sanitiser, will never catch on with them. I always loved how the East Fife fans used to accuse the Cowdenbeath fans of soap dodging.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 13 hours ago, sandy said: I always loved how the East Fife fans used to accuse the Cowdenbeath fans of soap dodging.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledjag Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 I think it would be true to say that both Westminster and Edinburgh have made mistakes and, hopefully, learned a lot. However IMO the Scottish Gov and our much maligned FM Nicola Sturgeon have consistently out performed Westminster and Boris Johnson. Polls, repeated show Sturgeon's approval rating in the 70-84% range; Johnson yet to get above 44%. Specifically NS:s rated for having a strategy and sticking with it, clear communication, leadership and putting people first! Johnson basically the opposite of the above and putting business/economy before people! Sturgeon has in fact been complimented on her handling of the pandemic by our Tory Scottish Secretary for "making the right decisions fot Scotland" also a Tory MP (can't recall name) who implied in comparison to Sturgeon, Johnson gave the impression he was "winging it"! I also recall reading a BBC news article in February in which Westminster had made it clear it would be responsible for procurement and subsequent distribution to Devolved Govts, of PPE & Testing equipment. Based on a TV interview with Heath Minister in early March it would not be unreasonable to speculate orders for equipment weren't placed until later in March. Anyway as already stated this system was totally ineffective until Edjnbugh established an alternative supply route! Nicola Stjrgeon's biggest error was trying to relieve the pressure on the NHS by agreeing to transfer 900 people to Care Homes without first testing. She has since acknowledged this. Probably the right motive but implementation not thought through! On the other hand Westminster IMO completely underestimated the likely impact of the virus in spite of warnings from Spain and Italy and delayed lock down far too long. Far from showing the strength of the Union the pandemic, for me, has shown that Scotland would be better out of the Union and the sooner the better - count me as a confirmed member of the now 54% majority who say yes! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 16 minutes ago, exiledjag said: I think it would be true to say that both Westminster and Edinburgh have made mistakes and, hopefully, learned a lot. However IMO the Scottish Gov and our much maligned FM Nicola Sturgeon have consistently out performed Westminster and Boris Johnson. Polls, repeated show Sturgeon's approval rating in the 70-84% range; Johnson yet to get above 44%. Specifically NS:s rated for having a strategy and sticking with it, clear communication, leadership and putting people first! Johnson basically the opposite of the above and putting business/economy before people! Sturgeon has in fact been complimented on her handling of the pandemic by our Tory Scottish Secretary for "making the right decisions fot Scotland" also a Tory MP (can't recall name) who implied in comparison to Sturgeon, Johnson gave the impression he was "winging it"! I also recall reading a BBC news article in February in which Westminster had made it clear it would be responsible for procurement and subsequent distribution to Devolved Govts, of PPE & Testing equipment. Based on a TV interview with Heath Minister in early March it would not be unreasonable to speculate orders for equipment weren't placed until later in March. Anyway as already stated this system was totally ineffective until Edjnbugh established an alternative supply route! Nicola Stjrgeon's biggest error was trying to relieve the pressure on the NHS by agreeing to transfer 900 people to Care Homes without first testing. She has since acknowledged this. Probably the right motive but implementation not thought through! On the other hand Westminster IMO completely underestimated the likely impact of the virus in spite of warnings from Spain and Italy and delayed lock down far too long. Far from showing the strength of the Union the pandemic, for me, has shown that Scotland would be better out of the Union and the sooner the better - count me as a confirmed member of the now 54% majority who say yes! The current infection rate in Scotland is 10% of that of England ....yes 10%.....as soon as went our own way things improved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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