Why are we in this Position

[Emsca]

4 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

Well after Three Years on a downward Spiral - My View is that we need New People running the Club  - there will be enforced changes due to Economics 

No one apart from paid staff receives a remuneration - Board of Trustees - get external input - there are people external to the Club that would support us    - means we avoid the politics - key to that is get a really Good Chair for Trustees - let him or her decide has to be someone like Lord Kelvin or someone  of his stature - or Alan Foy CEO of SmartMetering PLC 

After that Trustee Board appoint the interim  Board for Two Years with a Written remit and Plan 

The key issue is that this cant be done via a Committee or pals of pals - you want Good people - you approach them - give a time limit to there involvement - and a clear remit 

We need change - otherwise we will simply continue as we are - you cant get relegated to the level we have and not make radical  change -it simply not sustainable  

 

I would be very happy to see a structure such as you have outlined, in place.

I am just not sure where the impetus will come from to make it happen? The current incumbants are clearly not going to approach external advisors asking them to select and appoint a Board of Trustees who will then appoint their own  Interim Board. 

 

[Dick Dastardly]

31 minutes ago, sandy said:

Did I say anywhere I was happy to be gubbed? No.

Did we get gubbed with Erskine & Doolan? 
Er no! 

The recent recipe of old carthorses and some younger loan players has failed us. Time to put our faith back into an exciting young team who actually want to be proud of wearing the badge.

And where are all these young players who have managed to avoid all the scouts from other clubs ? (We do have Sena who came from Pollock)

I’m not saying it wouldn’t be nice, but getting a winning team is far more important than how old they are and where they came from

[Jordanhill Jag]

5 minutes ago, Emsca said:

I would be very happy to see a structure such as you have outlined, in place.

I am just not sure where the impetus will come from to make it happen? The current incumbants are clearly not going to approach external advisors asking them to select and appoint a Board of Trustees who will then appoint their own  Interim Board. 

 

Your  probs correct - but I was asked what my solution was - Ive given it - its based on the one Fergus used for Celtic - and gives a guarantee for a Fan Ownership Model thats sustainable  

 

[Jordanhill Jag]

1 minute ago, Dick Dastardly said:

And where are all these young players who have managed to avoid all the scouts from other clubs ? (We do have Sena who came from Pollock)

I’m not saying it wouldn’t be nice, but getting a winning team is far more important than how old they are and where they came from

Jackie Mac managed it ? 

[sandy]

3 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

Jackie Mac managed it ? 

Yep JJ. It’s possible 

[Dick Dastardly]

Just now, Jordanhill Jag said:

Jackie Mac managed it ? 

Would you really be happy for another year like the last 3  and say “never mind. At least we tried with youngsters.” All I am saying is that challenging at the sharp end is the priority. We need to get rid of this loosing mentality

[jlsarmy]

3 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

Would you really be happy for another year like the last 3  and say “never mind. At least we tried with youngsters.” All I am saying is that challenging at the sharp end is the priority. We need to get rid of this loosing mentality

We’ve got to make our relegation a catalyst for the future of our club , that has surely got to be the aim . If you look at teams like Hamilton , Motherwell and St Mirren they’re all bringing their own young players through and reaping the benefits financially when they make the first team and then they’re transferred on.

IMO , we’ve got to engage more with the Schools to find talent as well , keep an eye on the lower leagues, there are plenty of players lost to the game after getting released by Rangers and Celtic 

There is absolutely no point given journeymen players 1 year contracts and then starting again year after year .

We’ve done that for years with no real plan , create a reputation as a Club for giving players a chance and you’ll find it’ll be a lot easier to pick up new talent like Hamilton do .

 

[jlsarmy]

31 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

Would you really be happy for another year like the last 3  and say “never mind. At least we tried with youngsters.” All I am saying is that challenging at the sharp end is the priority. We need to get rid of this loosing mentality

Nobody is saying it should be a team of 18 yr olds but it could be a team with young and experienced players , just now if you want to get rid of the losing mentality around the Club , we need to offload a lot of the players that got us relegated.

 

[Dick Dastardly]

10 hours ago, jlsarmy said:

Nobody is saying it should be a team of 18 yr olds but it could be a team with young and experienced players , just now if you want to get rid of the losing mentality around the Club , we need to offload a lot of the players that got us relegated.

 

On that we can agree 100%.

[Emsca]

11 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

Your  probs correct - but I was asked what my solution was - Ive given it - its based on the one Fergus used for Celtic - and gives a guarantee for a Fan Ownership Model thats sustainable  

 

I'm not having ago at you , as I said if such a structure could be put in place I think it would have considerale merit. Its just that if it is very unlikely to happen, it is not really a solution - more  just wishful thinking. 

[ARu-Strathbungo]

11 hours ago, jlsarmy said:

Nobody is saying it should be a team of 18 yr olds but it could be a team with young and experienced players , just now if you want to get rid of the losing mentality around the Club , we need to offload a lot of the players that got us relegated.

 

When people on the outside of the club look at what we have as an organisation they see a 'woke' club, with a youth structure in place and a woman's team established …. we are cute …. but we are a shyte football team.

Is it not the time to now cut the cloth to suit our needs? We need a functioning and winning team on the park, that is the whole point of the clubs existence. Once we have that winning team, we become a community football club because the community will back a winning team. How many ST do we normally sell? about 2000? …. that is an insufficient number to run multiple football teams.

If we are to have a youth structure, we want one that delivers talent to the first team manager, if it cant do that it just becomes a vanity project.

The ladies football team is a nice idea, but one that you establish as an add-on to a successful football team.

I like being part of a 'woke' club that will criticise racism, bigotry and homophobia, I like the thought that kids can play with a PTFC shirt and grow up being a small part of the Thistle footballing family, and it is good to see woman's football being played in Scotland. But [and it's a big but] firstly we need to have the club winning games, and being at the top end of the Championship, and eventually top six in the SPL then we can have the add-ons. 

[Jordanhill Jag]

2 hours ago, Emsca said:

I'm not having ago at you , as I said if such a structure could be put in place I think it would have considerale merit. Its just that if it is very unlikely to happen, it is not really a solution - more  just wishful thinking. 

Ok your probably correct due to our current position - however - you have to start somewhere if your going to have change - so you start with what an alternative strategy to the one we have would look like 

There is obviously something not working or we wouldn't have gone from Top Six to level three within three Seasons 

Therefore its time for change 

[Dick Dastardly]

On 5/9/2020 at 7:35 PM, jlsarmy said:

Agree with you , needs a strong board and a template for the future of the Club .

For me , we’ve got to build an infrastructure and coach young players and give them a pathway to the first team , IMO paying wages to journeymen football players trying to get a last wage is the wrong way to go and whether that takes a couple of seasons so to get promotion so be it .

Jackie Mac did it before with O'Donnell , Sinclair, Paton , Balatoni etc ,  players who were hungry to play first team football and make a career for themselves.

There is no reason that can’t happen again . 

But why restrict us to that formula. There have been successful teams who have taken very different routes

As Bear Bryant (American Football coach) said .... "Winning isn't everything, but it beats anything that comes in second."

[jlsarmy]

8 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

But why restrict us to that formula. There have been successful teams who have taken very different routes

As Bear Bryant (American Football coach) said .... "Winning isn't everything, but it beats anything that comes in second."

Don’t entirely disagree but we can’t just throw money at it , there has got to be a time when we start producing some of our own players.

Look how much we wasted last year on Miller , Harkins , Cardle and McKinnon, with no results , there has surely got to be a different way .

[allyo]

1 hour ago, ARu-Strathbungo said:

When people on the outside of the club look at what we have as an organisation they see a 'woke' club, with a youth structure in place and a woman's team established …. we are cute …. but we are a shyte football team.

Is it not the time to now cut the cloth to suit our needs? We need a functioning and winning team on the park, that is the whole point of the clubs existence. Once we have that winning team, we become a community football club because the community will back a winning team. How many ST do we normally sell? about 2000? …. that is an insufficient number to run multiple football teams.

If we are to have a youth structure, we want one that delivers talent to the first team manager, if it cant do that it just becomes a vanity project.

The ladies football team is a nice idea, but one that you establish as an add-on to a successful football team.

I like being part of a 'woke' club that will criticise racism, bigotry and homophobia, I like the thought that kids can play with a PTFC shirt and grow up being a small part of the Thistle footballing family, and it is good to see woman's football being played in Scotland. But [and it's a big but] firstly we need to have the club winning games, and being at the top end of the Championship, and eventually top six in the SPL then we can have the add-ons. 

Or maybe we just go 100% women. We've been at this men's stuff for 140-odd years to little avail 

[West of Scotland]

21 hours ago, ARu-Strathbungo said:

I like being part of a 'woke' club that will criticise racism, bigotry and homophobia, I like the thought that kids can play with a PTFC shirt and grow up being a small part of the Thistle footballing family, and it is good to see woman's football being played in Scotland. But [and it's a big but] firstly we need to have the club winning games, and being at the top end of the Championship, and eventually top six in the SPL then we can have the add-ons. 

You make it sound like it has to be one or the other.

And it's not "woke" - it's simply not being shithouse.

Edited May 13, 2020 by West of Scotland

[scotty]

5 hours ago, ARu-Strathbungo said:

When people on the outside of the club look at what we have as an organisation they see a 'woke' club, with a youth structure in place and a woman's team established …. we are cute …. but we are a shyte football team.

Is it not the time to now cut the cloth to suit our needs? We need a functioning and winning team on the park, that is the whole point of the clubs existence. Once we have that winning team, we become a community football club because the community will back a winning team. How many ST do we normally sell? about 2000? …. that is an insufficient number to run multiple football teams.

If we are to have a youth structure, we want one that delivers talent to the first team manager, if it cant do that it just becomes a vanity project.

The ladies football team is a nice idea, but one that you establish as an add-on to a successful football team.

I like being part of a 'woke' club that will criticise racism, bigotry and homophobia, I like the thought that kids can play with a PTFC shirt and grow up being a small part of the Thistle footballing family, and it is good to see woman's football being played in Scotland. But [and it's a big but] firstly we need to have the club winning games, and being at the top end of the Championship, and eventually top six in the SPL then we can have the add-ons. 

The acadamy was set up and funded because Colin Weir wanted to help disadvantaged youth. The women's team was set up and funded seperately from the men's team so I don't think either should be blamed in any way for the demise of first team football over the past three years. You could argue that the first team shouldn't be holding back women's or youth football.

Edited May 12, 2020 by scotty

[Jordanhill Jag]

8 minutes ago, scotty said:

The acadamy was set up and funded because Colin Weir wanted to help disadvantaged youth. The women's team was set up and funded seperately from the men's team so I don't think either should be blamed in any way for the demise of first team football over the past three years. You could argue that the first team shouldn't be holding back women's or youth football.

I think its about Focus as a Club - as these things have been getting equal standing to the First Team on the Park 

[Emsca]

9 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

Ok your probably correct due to our current position - however - you have to start somewhere if your going to have change - so you start with what an alternative strategy to the one we have would look like 

There is obviously something not working or we wouldn't have gone from Top Six to level three within three Seasons 

Therefore its time for change 

Agreed . It s just how that is achieved.

[Norgethistle]

Our focus till the season restarts needs to be getting the clubs shares and 100% of it’s assets into the fans hands whilst getting us through this time.

There is no football to worry about, no votes, no potential reconstruction, to hide behind.

We know we’re coming out this as a league 1 club (unless clubs fold), let’s make sure we’re alive and controlling our fate

Edited May 12, 2020 by Norgethistle

[Pinhead]

12 hours ago, ARu-Strathbungo said:

When people on the outside of the club look at what we have as an organisation they see a 'woke' club, with a youth structure in place and a woman's team established …. we are cute …. but we are a shyte football team.

Is it not the time to now cut the cloth to suit our needs? We need a functioning and winning team on the park, that is the whole point of the clubs existence. Once we have that winning team, we become a community football club because the community will back a winning team. How many ST do we normally sell? about 2000? …. that is an insufficient number to run multiple football teams.

If we are to have a youth structure, we want one that delivers talent to the first team manager, if it cant do that it just becomes a vanity project.

The ladies football team is a nice idea, but one that you establish as an add-on to a successful football team.

I like being part of a 'woke' club that will criticise racism, bigotry and homophobia, I like the thought that kids can play with a PTFC shirt and grow up being a small part of the Thistle footballing family, and it is good to see woman's football being played in Scotland. But [and it's a big but] firstly we need to have the club winning games, and being at the top end of the Championship, and eventually top six in the SPL then we can have the add-ons. 

Exactly we have lost who we are as a club with all this trying to be everything for everyone pish! Our bread and butter goes to the 1st team and everything else is secondary and nice to haves. Personally now i think we need to get shot of the woman's team and the youth academy if either are not self funding. Instead of being this cuddly inclusive club we need to grow teeth again! 

[sabbath]

Ho Hum. 3 season tickets already bought for next year, beach balls and inflatable crocodile in the loft ready to go. With what I witnessed this year even if we had ten games in hand I wouldn't bet yer man Fred we would stay up. We are where we are because a pun o mince in a smart jersey would give us a game. As I always have said this is not the time for retribution and finger pointing, the time for that was when we appointed Archibald. Like the travel agent is heard to say Phuket.................Spoke to big Calum Graham today (Ashfield) he is interested in semi professional football that already puts him streets ahead of what we,ve got.............sign him.   

[ARu-Strathbungo]

17 hours ago, scotty said:

The acadamy was set up and funded because Colin Weir wanted to help disadvantaged youth. The women's team was set up and funded seperately from the men's team so I don't think either should be blamed in any way for the demise of first team football over the past three years. You could argue that the first team shouldn't be holding back women's or youth football.

No blame intended.

The football [mens] team is of most importance, all the rest are 'nice to haves'.

I feel the PTFC organisation needs to prioritise its core requirements, and since there is little chance of football being played this year, perhaps they could use this time to redefine it's aims?

[ARu-Strathbungo]

18 hours ago, West of Scotland said:

You make it sound like it has to be one or the other.

And it's not "woke" - it's simply not being shithouse.

Sorry, don't understand where you are coming from.

The point of my first mail is priorities ….. I think the first team playing and winning games, with some style,  should be the first priority of PTFC. 

[Dick Dastardly]

20 minutes ago, ARu-Strathbungo said:

Sorry, don't understand where you are coming from.

The point of my first mail is priorities ….. I think the first team playing and winning games, with some style,  should be the first priority of PTFC. 

I don't think that style is important. Just playing and winning games. I think it is our Championship winning season was the last time we won more games than we lost.