Emsca Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 18 m2. The phone conversation (which is now a matter of public record) between the SPFL and the Lowland League to accept Brechin in spite of Brechin being in the Highland League Geographical area (threatened to end the participation of Lowland League clubs in the Challenge Cup) What are you talking about? I’ve seen absolutely no reference to this at all. Is this some pish in the Rangers “dossier”? This is not pish it was confirmed live on Radio by the Brora Chairman. They were told if they did not vote to allow Brechin to play in the Lowland League, in the event Brechin were relegated, Broras ongoing invitation to be allowed to play in the League Cup (whaever that is called now) would be rescinded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Emsca said: 18 m2. The phone conversation (which is now a matter of public record) between the SPFL and the Lowland League to accept Brechin in spite of Brechin being in the Highland League Geographical area (threatened to end the participation of Lowland League clubs in the Challenge Cup) What are you talking about? I’ve seen absolutely no reference to this at all. Is this some pish in the Rangers “dossier”? This is not pish it was confirmed live on Radio by the Brora Chairman. They were told if they did not vote to allow Brechin to play in the Lowland League, in the event Brechin were relegated, Broras ongoing invitation to be allowed to play in the League Cup (whaever that is called now) would be rescinded. That sounds like a load of pish. Brora don’t even play in the Lowland League. Why would the right of Highland League clubs to participate in a cup competition be affected by a decision of the Lowland League? How would the Brora chairman be privy to a phone conversation between the Lowland League and the SPFL? I notice none of the newspapers are reporting this supposed “threat”. This is Chinese whispers and bollocks. Unless you’ve got a recording of exactly what Brora’s Chairman said? Edited June 19, 2020 by Woodstock Jag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 34 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said: Brechin are being treated the same as every club that finished in a playoff spot. Because they finished in a playoff spot. The playoffs were cancelled because they couldn’t guarantee the games would be played. I heard the chairman of Kelty explain this and to say the play off was were ‘cancelled’ is factually incorrect ....the spfl are refusing to play them and that play off is governed by different rules and governance to the spfl play offs so all your points here are wrong.....it’s actually organised by the sfa who have not closed the season as their cup competitions are still open 37 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said: What are you talking about? I’ve seen absolutely no reference to this at all. Is this some pish in the Rangers “dossier”? Yes....you don’t know everything.....there was a call and I loved the part where if they were relegated Brechin could play in the lowland league because all their players lived in the central belt ....hilarious ! I actually know someone who was in the call.....it was driven by the spfl Brechin have a huge conflict of interest in all of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, javeajag said: I heard the chairman of Kelty explain this and to say the play off was were ‘cancelled’ is factually incorrect ....the spfl are refusing to play them and that play off is governed by different rules and governance to the spfl play offs so all your points here are wrong.....it’s actually organised by the sfa who have not closed the season as their cup competitions are still open This is bollocks. The SPFL Resolution explicitly cancelled the play-offs and it is within the SPFL’s jurisdiction to do that to their own competition. It’s not a matter for the SFA. The only competition the SFA has responsibility for in professional men’s football is the Scottish Cup. 8 minutes ago, javeajag said: Yes....you don’t know everything.....there was a call and I loved the part where if they were relegated Brechin could play in the lowland league because all their players lived in the central belt ....hilarious ! I actually know someone who was in the call.....it was driven by the spfl Brechin have a huge conflict of interest in all of this It is perfectly reasonable for the Leagues to discuss whether it is appropriate for a side, if relegated, to go into one geographical division or another. Otherwise you could have relegations from consistently only the north or the south and therefore an imbalance overall. You haven’t provided any proof (or even evidence) that a threat was made or that there was anything improper about the SPFL’s representation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delurker Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said: This is bollocks. The SPFL Resolution explicitly cancelled the play-offs and it is within the SPFL’s jurisdiction to do that to their own competition. It’s not a matter for the SFA. The only competition the SFA has responsibility for in professional men’s football is the Scottish Cup. It is perfectly reasonable for the Leagues to discuss whether it is appropriate for a side, if relegated, to go into one geographical division or another. Otherwise you could have relegations from consistently only the north or the south and therefore an imbalance overall. You haven’t provided any proof (or even evidence) that a threat was made or that there was anything improper about the SPFL’s representation. Reported in the Edinburgh Evening News (and elsewhere, I read it in another paper) and apparently broadcast on Sportsound. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/international/lowland-league-chief-spfl-pressured-us-alter-rules-and-accept-brechin-city-event-relegation-2848043 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a f kincaid Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said: That sounds like a load of pish. Brora don’t even play in the Lowland League. Why would the right of Highland League clubs to participate in a cup competition be affected by a decision of the Lowland League? How would the Brora chairman be privy to a phone conversation between the Lowland League and the SPFL? I notice none of the newspapers are reporting this supposed “threat”. This is Chinese whispers and bollocks. Unless you’ve got a recording of exactly what Brora’s Chairman said? The witness is correct. I heard this on Sportsound a few weeks ago. I'm sure it was someone from the Highland League (but it could have been someone from Brora FC) who was speaking. IIRC representatives of both the Highland and Lowland leagues were asked to agree to Brechin's request that if they lost their play-off they would be "relegated" to the Lowland League despite being in the Highland League's catchment area. He said that it was "suggested" that failure to agree this might mean participation in the Challenge Cup (not the League Cup) would have to be "reviewed". My inverted commas but the inference was clear in his voice. It was also said that the SPFL - without a trace of irony - had declined to put Brechin forward as their candidate to play the winner of the Brora-Kelty tie because their rules didn't permit it if the leagues hadn't finished. It wasn't clear to me which leagues he was talking about. If it was before the H and L leagues were "called" I assume it was at that point the SFA (who run these pyramid play-offs) decided it was a non-starter. If it was after they were "called" then I assume the SFA decided there was no point in asking the two contestants to play-off anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said: This is bollocks. The SPFL Resolution explicitly cancelled the play-offs and it is within the SPFL’s jurisdiction to do that to their own competition. It’s not a matter for the SFA. The only competition the SFA has responsibility for in professional men’s football is the Scottish Cup. It is perfectly reasonable for the Leagues to discuss whether it is appropriate for a side, if relegated, to go into one geographical division or another. Otherwise you could have relegations from consistently only the north or the south and therefore an imbalance overall. You haven’t provided any proof (or even evidence) that a threat was made or that there was anything improper about the SPFL’s representation. Listen.....the playoffs between the spfl and the lower leagues are 50% owned by the SFA and 25% each by the other leagues ......they are governed, managed and organised by the SFA and as such are not within the spfl jurisdiction to simply cancel they refused to play them and particpate The playoffs between League 2 and the lower leagues are not an spfl competition. .I’m not sure if that was ever communicated to the lower leagues. Other play offs outside the spfl have been completed. your head in the sand in Brechin does you no credit a quick google search gets you all the information ....it’s shocking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, a f kincaid said: The witness is correct. I heard this on Sportsound a few weeks ago. I'm sure it was someone from the Highland League (but it could have been someone from Brora FC) who was speaking. IIRC representatives of both the Highland and Lowland leagues were asked to agree to Brechin's request that if they lost their play-off they would be "relegated" to the Lowland League despite being in the Highland League's catchment area. He said that it was "suggested" that failure to agree this might mean participation in the Challenge Cup (not the League Cup) would have to be "reviewed". My inverted commas but the inference was clear in his voice. It was also said that the SPFL - without a trace of irony - had declined to put Brechin forward as their candidate to play the winner of the Brora-Kelty tie because their rules didn't permit it if the leagues hadn't finished. It wasn't clear to me which leagues he was talking about. If it was before the H and L leagues were "called" I assume it was at that point the SFA (who run these pyramid play-offs) decided it was a non-starter. If it was after they were "called" then I assume the SFA decided there was no point in asking the two contestants to play-off anyway. This is correct and note the pyramid play offs are run by the sfa not the spfl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Woodstock Jag said: This is bollocks. The SPFL Resolution explicitly cancelled the play-offs and it is within the SPFL’s jurisdiction to do that to their own competition. It’s not a matter for the SFA. The only competition the SFA has responsibility for in professional men’s football is the Scottish Cup. It is perfectly reasonable for the Leagues to discuss whether it is appropriate for a side, if relegated, to go into one geographical division or another. Otherwise you could have relegations from consistently only the north or the south and therefore an imbalance overall. You haven’t provided any proof (or even evidence) that a threat was made or that there was anything improper about the SPFL’s representation. Possibly reasonable if a team is relegated but teams like Albion Rovers ( Brian Reid ) are coming out and casting their vote on reconstruction on the basis that Brora is too far away. If Clubs like Albion Rovers with little ambition and want to play in a some sort of regionalised League let them. The pyramid system has got to work as teams like Kelty , Bonnyrigg Rose , East Kilbride , Caledonia Braves , Brora are all ambitious to get into the professional ranks and are spending lots of money trying to get there . All these teams mentioned would all enhance our Leagues with their ambition and also their crowd base. Even with these extraordinary times , Brora and Kelty should have been given the opportunity through the play offs to join the SPFL. The way that the SPFL and the SFA have dealt with this is absolutely shocking especially with the investment these teams have made . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muscat Jag Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 Strange then the playoffs aren't going ahead but the Scottish Cup is. Seems very selective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Muscat Jag said: Strange then the playoffs aren't going ahead but the Scottish Cup is. Seems very selective. It’ll be down to money, television rights etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Muscat Jag said: Strange then the playoffs aren't going ahead but the Scottish Cup is. Seems very selective. How can that be ....the season is closed oh wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 Just now, jlsarmy said: It’ll be down to money, television rights etc But then season is then not closed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 25 minutes ago, delurker said: Reported in the Edinburgh Evening News (and elsewhere, I read it in another paper) and apparently broadcast on Sportsound. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/international/lowland-league-chief-spfl-pressured-us-alter-rules-and-accept-brechin-city-event-relegation-2848043 “It may have been on their agenda” is weak weak sauce for people to base as “a threat” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, javeajag said: But then season is then not closed ? No that’s just the SPFL ‘s season!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Woodstock Jag said: “It may have been on their agenda” is weak weak sauce for people to base as “a threat” I heard the chairman on sportsound as well and it was clearly a threat .....the recording of the call clearly shows that as well ....total disgrace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 minute ago, jlsarmy said: No that’s just the SPFL ‘s season!!!! Interesting isn’t it ....no we won’t play the play offs so Brechin can be saved but we will play the cups .....shysters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muscat Jag Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: It’ll be down to money, television rights etc OK, but it appears both sets of fixture are run by the SFA. I may be wrong, but I don't recall any SFA statement saying the pyramid playoffs were cancelled. The general impression is that the SPFL have called time on it. But perhaps I've missed something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 Just now, Muscat Jag said: OK, but it appears both sets of fixture are run by the SFA. I may be wrong, but I don't recall any SFA statement saying the pyramid playoffs were cancelled. The general impression is that the SPFL have called time on it. But perhaps I've missed something. My understanding is that the spfl simply said we’re not playing them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delurker Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said: “It may have been on their agenda” is weak weak sauce for people to base as “a threat” 'There were insinuations ... that we might find life a bit more difficult in dealing with our friends at the SPFL' isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 31 minutes ago, a f kincaid said: The witness is correct. I heard this on Sportsound a few weeks ago. I'm sure it was someone from the Highland League (but it could have been someone from Brora FC) who was speaking. IIRC representatives of both the Highland and Lowland leagues were asked to agree to Brechin's request that if they lost their play-off they would be "relegated" to the Lowland League despite being in the Highland League's catchment area. He said that it was "suggested" that failure to agree this might mean participation in the Challenge Cup (not the League Cup) would have to be "reviewed". My inverted commas but the inference was clear in his voice. In other words total insinuation based on him speculating that it might have been on their agenda. 31 minutes ago, a f kincaid said: It was also said that the SPFL - without a trace of irony - had declined to put Brechin forward as their candidate to play the winner of the Brora-Kelty tie because their rules didn't permit it if the leagues hadn't finished. It wasn't clear to me which leagues he was talking about. If it was before the H and L leagues were "called" I assume it was at that point the SFA (who run these pyramid play-offs) decided it was a non-starter. If it was after they were "called" then I assume the SFA decided there was no point in asking the two contestants to play-off anyway. The SFA do not govern the SPFL’s play-off. The SPFL do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muscat Jag Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 Just now, javeajag said: My understanding is that the spfl simply said we’re not playing them So basically the SPFL run Scottish football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: Possibly reasonable if a team is relegated but teams like Albion Rovers ( Brian Reid ) are coming out and casting their vote on reconstruction on the basis that Brora is too far away. If Clubs like Albion Rovers with little ambition and want to play in a some sort of regionalised League let them. The pyramid system has got to work as teams like Kelty , Bonnyrigg Rose , East Kilbride , Caledonia Braves , Brora are all ambitious to get into the professional ranks and are spending lots of money trying to get there . All these teams mentioned would all enhance our Leagues with their ambition and also their crowd base. Even with these extraordinary times , Brora and Kelty should have been given the opportunity through the play offs to join the SPFL. The way that the SPFL and the SFA have dealt with this is absolutely shocking especially with the investment these teams have made . These are policy arguments. They are irrelevant to what the law is about what the SPFL can and cannot do when running its own competitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 Just now, Woodstock Jag said: These are policy arguments. They are irrelevant to what the law is about what the SPFL can and cannot do when running its own competitions. The pyramid play off is not an spfl run competition.....got it yet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said: The SFA do not govern the SPFL’s play-off. The SPFL do. You don’t seem to understand the pyramid play off is not run by the spfl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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