Tommy Sheridan - Today's The Day You Get The Jail

[Meister Jag]

Okay, we all know the trial is a farce but taking the pi** out of Sheridan really plays into the hands of the establishment and provides an unwelcome distraction from all of the other crap that's going on at present. Ordinary people are getting screwed by your new government but it's funnier to laugh at wee Tommy and his passion for swinging.

 

If found guilty, he'll do his time, Gail will no doubt sell her story and promise to "stick by my man!"; and when gets out he'll be in the press, on our screens and erm, back in the money. The Sheridan’s will become a socialist version of Neil and Christine Hamilton and it's only a matter of time before Louis Theroux turns up in Cardonald to film some domestic scrabble bliss. Jimmy Saville may even make a guest appearance... now there's a ménage à trois that might draw back the crowds.

 

Meanwhile, back in the real world, the taxpayer is having to stump up for something that should not have been allowed anywhere near a court. In effect, the f***ing Murdoch empire is using taxpayer's money to provide a bit of theatre that will fill many newspaper pages. Take it as read that his obituary is already written, they'll gloat and some will laugh. He’ll maybe go to jail and then the newspaper will become tomorrow's chip paper.

 

Okay the wee sh*** lied but so f***. He's not a murderer, didn't abuse anyone and, if anything, maybe only let his wife down. If need be, this whole fiasco could have been cut short and his libel award turned into a Thistle season ticket. In my book, that alone would be just punishment.

 

Was his crime really worthy of a massively expensive police case (reportedly more spent on getting this one individual than investigating Bliar over the cash for honours scandal, lengthy trial and tons of police overtime. Cue the "but he lied in court" brigade...

 

But from what I've read here there would appear to be some of the SSP persuasion on this DG who are enjoying this whole affair. Sad thing is, when you lost Sheridan you lost all credibility and as a party folded like a house of cards. Lenin's Left Wing Communism and Infantile Disorder was written in a bygone age but with you lot in mind. And if this post doesn't press a few buttons I'm losing my touch!

[jaggybunnet]

Okay, we all know the trial is a farce but taking the pi** out of Sheridan really plays into the hands of the establishment and provides an unwelcome distraction from all of the other crap that's going on at present. Ordinary people are getting screwed by your new government but it's funnier to laugh at wee Tommy and his passion for swinging.

 

If found guilty, he'll do his time, Gail will no doubt sell her story and promise to "stick by my man!"; and when gets out he'll be in the press, on our screens and erm, back in the money. The Sheridan’s will become a socialist version of Neil and Christine Hamilton and it's only a matter of time before Louis Theroux turns up in Cardonald to film some domestic scrabble bliss. Jimmy Saville may even make a guest appearance... now there's a ménage à trois that might draw back the crowds.

 

Meanwhile, back in the real world, the taxpayer is having to stump up for something that should not have been allowed anywhere near a court. In effect, the f***ing Murdoch empire is using taxpayer's money to provide a bit of theatre that will fill many newspaper pages. Take it as read that his obituary is already written, they'll gloat and some will laugh. He’ll maybe go to jail and then the newspaper will become tomorrow's chip paper.

 

Okay the wee sh*** lied but so f***. He's not a murderer, didn't abuse anyone and, if anything, maybe only let his wife down. If need be, this whole fiasco could have been cut short and his libel award turned into a Thistle season ticket. In my book, that alone would be just punishment.

 

Was his crime really worthy of a massively expensive police case (reportedly more spent on getting this one individual than investigating Bliar over the cash for honours scandal, lengthy trial and tons of police overtime. Cue the "but he lied in court" brigade...

 

But from what I've read here there would appear to be some of the SSP persuasion on this DG who are enjoying this whole affair. Sad thing is, when you lost Sheridan you lost all credibility and as a party folded like a house of cards. Lenin's Left Wing Communism and Infantile Disorder was written in a bygone age but with you lot in mind. And if this post doesn't press a few buttons I'm losing my touch!

 

this inferiority complex you have is starting to show through.

 

typical left wing, spouts off about the big bad capitalist world whilst using it for his own greed, now where's that irony similes

 

edit.talking about Sheridan in case you were worried i was stalking you

Edited November 18, 2010 by jaggybunnet

[Meister Jag]

this inferiority complex you have is starting to show through.

 

typical left wing, spouts off about the big bad capitalist world whilst using it for his own greed, now where's that irony similes

 

edit.talking about Sheridan in case you were worried i was stalking you

 

Best laugh I've had in ages mate; but still trying to work out exactly what your trying to say? Can you re-type but very slowly and one word at a time. Thanks. Oh, and if you are stalking me, you're a friend I've yet to meet . God bless, xx

 

(Aaargh, in my haste to be witty I made tit of my post. Doh!)

Edited November 18, 2010 by Meister Jag

[gianlucatoni]

Okay, we all know the trial is a farce but taking the pi** out of Sheridan really plays into the hands of the establishment and provides an unwelcome distraction from all of the other crap that's going on at present. Ordinary people are getting screwed by your new government but it's funnier to laugh at wee Tommy and his passion for swinging.

 

If found guilty, he'll do his time, Gail will no doubt sell her story and promise to "stick by my man!"; and when gets out he'll be in the press, on our screens and erm, back in the money. The Sheridan’s will become a socialist version of Neil and Christine Hamilton and it's only a matter of time before Louis Theroux turns up in Cardonald to film some domestic scrabble bliss. Jimmy Saville may even make a guest appearance... now there's a ménage à trois that might draw back the crowds.

 

Meanwhile, back in the real world, the taxpayer is having to stump up for something that should not have been allowed anywhere near a court. In effect, the f***ing Murdoch empire is using taxpayer's money to provide a bit of theatre that will fill many newspaper pages. Take it as read that his obituary is already written, they'll gloat and some will laugh. He’ll maybe go to jail and then the newspaper will become tomorrow's chip paper.

 

Okay the wee sh*** lied but so f***. He's not a murderer, didn't abuse anyone and, if anything, maybe only let his wife down. If need be, this whole fiasco could have been cut short and his libel award turned into a Thistle season ticket. In my book, that alone would be just punishment.

 

Was his crime really worthy of a massively expensive police case (reportedly more spent on getting this one individual than investigating Bliar over the cash for honours scandal, lengthy trial and tons of police overtime. Cue the "but he lied in court" brigade...

 

But from what I've read here there would appear to be some of the SSP persuasion on this DG who are enjoying this whole affair. Sad thing is, when you lost Sheridan you lost all credibility and as a party folded like a house of cards. Lenin's Left Wing Communism and Infantile Disorder was written in a bygone age but with you lot in mind. And if this post doesn't press a few buttons I'm losing my touch!

 

 

Aye OK MJ i'll bite as well - as i'm one of the he lied in court brigade - but i'm quite sure if (heaven forfend) any tragedy of the criminal kind were to befall anyone you care about you would want your day in court to watch the perpetrator brought to justice and you would want the barsteward taken down by people telling the truth and any lies being sniffed out along the way - so i simply do not but the 'it's not an issue to lie in court' bollox of which you speak and if you do then you are simply deluded

 

and then there's poor wee permafaketanned plik tommy - the same poor wee tommy who quite gladly put out his hand and took the 200k from filthy murdoch with a smile and a wink to the cameras while talking ludicrous pomp bollox about gretna and real madrid outside the court after the initial case - and will no doubt be such an idealist as to again line his pockets after the trial/jail and write a book about his perceived persecution at the hands of the people - i'm sure you'll enjoy that one when it hits the bargain bin at waterstones.

Edited November 18, 2010 by gianlucatoni

[B.C.G. JAG]

I've read a bit of the old Vlad in my time and his insight into childcare is up there with Dr. Spock.

[Meister Jag]

Aye OK MJ i'll bite as well - as i'm one of the he lied in court brigade - but i'm quite sure if (heaven forfend) any tragedy of the criminal kind were to befall anyone you care about you would want your day in court to watch the perpetrator brought to justice and you would want the barsteward taken down by people telling the truth and any lies being sniffed out along the way - so i simply do not but the 'it's not an issue to lie in court' bollox of which you speak and if you do then you are simply deluded

 

and then there's poor wee permafaketanned plik tommy - the same poor wee tommy who quite gladly put out his hand and took the 200k from filthy murdoch with a smile and a wink to the cameras while talking ludicrous pomp bollox about gretna and real madrid outside the court after the initial case - and will no doubt be such an idealist as to again line his pockets after the trial/jail and write a book about his perceived persecution at the hands of the people - i'm sure you'll enjoy that one when it hits the bargain bin at waterstones.

 

Nae problem with you voicing your opinion on this one mate but I have to stress that the NoW has yet to cough up a penny. I seem to recall that the plan was to appeal but then Lothian and Borders finest became conveniently involved.

 

The whole point of my deluded rant wasn't whether or not he was guilty just that I personally don't think it's that big a deal. As I've stated earlier, I don't think this trial is especially in the public interest and I shudder to think who'll be picking up the tab. Yip, you and me... but so long as it gives us all a good laugh (and some of it is really cringe worthy) then probably money well spent. What was wrong with suggestion to dock his libel payment and leave it at that?

 

But if he does go down (bad pun intended) maybe me and some of the other comrades will start the revolution early. As Stalin said: I'll be back... but next time no more Mr nice guy!

[yoda-jag]

I'd hump her brains out.

 

 

Much to learn, you still have.

 

Twisted by the dark side, young daviecrazy has become.

[Ember]

The whole point of my deluded rant wasn't whether or not he was guilty just that I personally don't think it's that big a deal.

That's all very good and well, but remember it was Sheridan who wanted his day in court to start with. No-one cared what he got up to in his private life and most people were blissfully unaware of the NOTW story before the first court case. While I can't stand what the NOTW stands for, it's not the side of this story that's been lying from the start. Sheridan has ranted about justice throughout his 'career' but he's the one who has made a mockery of it. That is why this is still going on. Those of us who truly believe in justice want to see it applied 100% not just when it suits us or when it's our side that wins.

Edited November 20, 2010 by Ember

[Blackpool Jags]

That's all very good and well, but remember it was Sheridan who wanted his day in court to start with. No-one cared what he got up to in his private life and most people were blissfully unaware of the NOTW story before the first court case. While I can't stand what the NOTW stands for, it's not the side of this story that's been lying from the start. Sheridan has ranted about justice throughout his 'career' but he's the one who has made a mockery of it. That is why this is still going on. Those of us who truly believe in justice want to see it applied 100% not just when it suits us or when it's our side that wins.

 

All of this, and the fact that he's besmirched the cause of socialism in Scotland more than any Tory or hypocritical 'Labour' politician could ever have done. And, probably worst of all, called good, committed socialists scabs: the ultimate insult, and the political equivalent of paedophile. For this alone, he should go to the bad fire for as long as it takes for him to be fully incinerated - or for his tan to to fade; whichever happens first.

[Meister Jag]

That's all very good and well, but remember it was Sheridan who wanted his day in court to start with. No-one cared what he got up to in his private life and most people were blissfully unaware of the NOTW story before the first court case. While I can't stand what the NOTW stands for, it's not the side of this story that's been lying from the start. Sheridan has ranted about justice throughout his 'career' but he's the one who has made a mockery of it. That is why this is still going on. Those of us who truly believe in justice want to see it applied 100% not just when it suits us or when it's our side that wins.

 

But what really is justice and why must it come at great cost to the private citizen? The country is skint but justice must be seen to be done. Ideally on day 1 of the current court case there's a decision: "This is a waste of everyone's time and not in the public interest. Mr Sheridan, you won the first case so are awarded £x amount in damages and this amount is offset against legal costs. All interested parties to the proceedings now walk away and never darken this courtroom again. NOTW, f*ck off, you got your ar** toed by a wee red swinger! Consider recourse against this decision at your peril. If you do, an advanced Order for Costs will be applied. You may contest any future interlocutory decision if you like but the penalty will be double costs."

 

To quote dear old Karl Marx on what the capitalist state is really all about: "The state is based on this contradiction. It is based on the contradiction between public and private life, between universal and particular interests. For this reason, the state must confine itself to formal, negative activities." When analysed, the state can find time to dispense justice on comrade (sic) Sheridan - who maybe lied in the first case but didn't receive a penny - but can't find time to try those who have taken our country to war, to the brink of fiscal collapse and who have abused their positions as tribunes and representatives of the people. Yip, I'm all for justice; but the Sheridan show trial is really just a big distraction and waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere. But would it be worth going after Bliar, thieving bankers and MPs and bringing them all to trial? A no-brainer IMO.

[jaggybunnet]

But what really is justice and why must it come at great cost to the private citizen? The country is skint but justice must be seen to be done. Ideally on day 1 of the current court case there's a decision: "This is a waste of everyone's time and not in the public interest. Mr Sheridan, you won the first case so are awarded £x amount in damages and this amount is offset against legal costs. All interested parties to the proceedings now walk away and never darken this courtroom again. NOTW, f*ck off, you got your ar** toed by a wee red swinger! Consider recourse against this decision at your peril. If you do, an advanced Order for Costs will be applied. You may contest any future interlocutory decision if you like but the penalty will be double costs."

 

would you be spouting the same stuff if it had been the other way and sheridan had been contesting it, nahh didnt think so you just keep picking and chosing who you want to defend theseves by your law

 

To quote dear old Karl Marx on what the capitalist state is really all about: "The state is based on this contradiction. It is based on the contradiction between public and private life, between universal and particular interests. For this reason, the state must confine itself to formal, negative activities." When analysed, the state can find time to dispense justice on comrade (sic) Sheridan - who maybe lied in the first case but didn't receive a penny - but can't find time to try those who have taken our country to war, to the brink of fiscal collapse and who have abused their positions as tribunes and representatives of the people. Yip, I'm all for justice; but the Sheridan show trial is really just a big distraction and waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere. But would it be worth going after Bliar, thieving bankers and MPs and bringing them all to trial? A no-brainer IMO.

 

and then back in the real world

 

 

the problem is lawyers are ripping the arse out of the system and making massive amounts of money to our cost.

 

just look at the farce of the bloody sunday inquiry which cost more than £200 million where they dragged it out to the bitter end for what, so now everyone wants an inquiry into every death.

Edited November 21, 2010 by jaggybunnet

[Meister Jag]

the problem is lawyers are ripping the arse out of the system and making massive amounts of money to our cost.

 

just look at the farce of the bloody sunday inquiry which cost more than £200 million where they dragged it out to the bitter end for what, so now everyone wants an inquiry into every death.

 

You go girl!!! I actually think I agree with most, but obviously not all, of what you say... which must be a first! Are you really a Trot in disguise, are you fond of a bit of the old Leon?

[jaggybunnet]

You go girl!!! I actually think I agree with most, but obviously not all, of what you say... which must be a first! Are you really a Trot in disguise, are you fond of a bit of the old Leon?

 

 

no never

[Ember]

Ideally on day 1 of the FIRST court case there's a decision: "This is a waste of everyone's time and not in the public interest.

Now, if you'd said this you would have had my full support. But you didn't.

[gianlucatoni]

But what really is justice and why must it come at great cost to the private citizen? The country is skint but justice must be seen to be done.

 

come on now MJ - surely an out an out socialist like yourself hasn't been sucked in by the utter BS being spouted by this coalition government who are really using the bankers mess to raise some extra tax, feck up the welfare state and shaft the people ... do you really believe we are skint??? ... £11bn bankers bonuses this year ... £20-60Bn for trident replacement and associated costs ... £20bn for electrifying the line from London to Birmingham ... how much for the wars of the last decade? ... £30-50bn subsidy for wind power production over the next 30 years (£1.1bn this year alone) ... etc etc

 

if they really wanted to 'save' the £85bn they could have shelved lots of capital projects and stuck 1p on the basic rate of income tax - but naw throw in some soundbites like "we'll all have to take a hit" ... say it often enough through the media ... and most will absorb the BS and, worst of all, believe it.

 

country ain't 'skint', sheridan deserves to be in the dock ... 'nuff said.

[Meister Jag]

come on now MJ - surely an out an out socialist like yourself hasn't been sucked in by the utter BS being spouted by this coalition government who are really using the bankers mess to raise some extra tax, feck up the welfare state and shaft the people ... do you really believe we are skint??? ... £11bn bankers bonuses this year ... £20-60Bn for trident replacement and associated costs ... £20bn for electrifying the line from London to Birmingham ... how much for the wars of the last decade? ... £30-50bn subsidy for wind power production over the next 30 years (£1.1bn this year alone) ... etc etc

 

if they really wanted to 'save' the £85bn they could have shelved lots of capital projects and stuck 1p on the basic rate of income tax - but naw throw in some soundbites like "we'll all have to take a hit" ... say it often enough through the media ... and most will absorb the BS and, worst of all, believe it.

 

country ain't 'skint', sheridan deserves to be in the dock ... 'nuff said.

 

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I think I owe you a wee apology my Italian friend: mi scuso... as we used to say in the partisans.

 

If you read any of my other posts you'll know that I've laid the blame for the "fiscal crisis" firmly at the feet of the international banking community. Even if the Daily Mail is suggesting it's all the fault of your average council worker and civil servant. I never knew they dabbled in international markets; so that's where the council tax and income tax money goes - to the bookies! But I digress.

 

I apologise unreservedly if I've suggested that this is the fault of the ordinary worker (don't actually think I have but in the spirit of solidarity I'll say anything to keep the peace). Yes, GB is still a wealthy country and yes, there's no need to make scapegoats out of the aforementioned public sector workers. Let's raise corporation tax (New Labour lowered it to lower levels than even Thatcher dared) and let's hit those boardroom bonuses (did I read 55% increases in the past two - three years?). But with millionaires in charge of the show, this ain't likely to happen as they'll be looking out for themselves whilst blaiming the aforementioned workers, the sick, the unemployed and, everybody's favourite scroungers, the single parents. Oh, and probably the elderly for having the audacity to live for so long... (Guess who's back on track and ranting!)

 

As I sit here waving my red flag and pulling my hammer and sickle thong out of my pert cheeks I'm reminded of my old school anthem -

 

Arise ye workers [starvelings] from your slumbers

Arise ye prisoners of want

For reason in revolt now thunders

And at last ends the age of cant.

Away with all your superstitions

Servile masses arise, arise

We'll change henceforth [forthwith] the old tradition [conditions]

And spurn the dust to win the prize.

 

So comrades, come rally

And the last fight let us face

The Internationale unites the human race.

So comrades, come rally

And the last fight let us face...

 

Not the full version but just enough to stir the loins of my comrade from The People's Republic of Penicuik. Sing that and then launch into Mary fae Maryhill - can a Sunday get any better? Lungo il comunismo in diretta!

Edited November 21, 2010 by Meister Jag

[Meister Jag]

All quiet on the TS front; or is it - an extract from today's press:

 

"The Crown yesterday dropped several charges - including one that Tommy Sheridan asked his ex-SSP colleague Colin Fox to lie." So far so good... and also: "The Sheridan perjury case may have cost the taxpayer up to £4.5 million".

 

Okay, some of you may not like him - and in truth, I'm not his biggest fan, but FFS guys, this trial is a serious waste of public money. And for what purpose: to satisfy Murdoch's NoW's lust for vengeance and to show that a working class boy from Pollok can't pull one over the establishment by convincing a jury of his innocence. The only folk to have benefited from this fiasco are lawyers and cops who made a mint on overtime.

 

That's the Sheridan thread back up and running again so time to put on the tin helmet!

[btb]

And for what purpose: to satisfy Murdoch's NoW's lust for vengeance and to show that a working class boy from Pollok can't pull one over the establishment by convincing a jury of his innocence.

 

What MJ says - I was surprised at the verdict at the first trial but it was a civil law suit and I reckon the jurors felt safe giving Murdoch & News International a two-fingered salute. Fear for Sheridan (is his missus being tried too?) now that it's a criminal case.

[KAWB]

Fear for Sheridan (is his missus being tried too?) now that it's a criminal case.

 

You fear for him?? Throw the wee sh@te in jail and his missus. He's cost us a fortune including those from classes that he once purported to represent.

[btb]

You fear for him?? Throw the wee sh@te in jail and his missus. He's cost us a fortune including those from classes that he once purported to represent.

 

As the saying goes "If the guy was chocolate he'd eat himself" but do I really care what he may or may not have done in his private life - no! Secondly while I don't believe everything that's come out of his mouth the ragbag of publicity seekers, people settling old scores and chancers that make up the Crown/News International case are by no means whiter than white.

 

I really have no great respect for the guy but still feel he's being shafted and that he's not the one to blame for the cost of the trial.

[KAWB]

 

I really have no great respect for the guy but still feel he's being shafted and that he's not the one to blame for the cost of the trial.

 

Of course he's to blame, this whole debacle is about protecting his pathetic ego and trying to win when everyone knows he's guilty.

 

Unfortunately sometimes this type of scum that you usually find on your shoe might get away with it.

 

His wife is only standing by him as she has to having lied herself. Lets see how long she sticks by him after this whole thing finishes but I reckon she'll blame it on the 'toll of the trial' rather than my 'husband slept with swingers and prozzies'.

[Meister Jag]

The point I've made throughout is: is any of this in the public interest? Surely the Crown has better things to do with its time and as for police overtime... don't get me started. Estimates for running this whole show trial fiasco are now running upwards of £4.5m. Surely money that could have been better spent elsewhere e.g. health, education and the widows of the poor sods who've been killed in illegal wars.

[gianlucatoni]

Did I hear the news right earlier on?? - his brother is married to Gail's sister - if so proper creepy!

[jaggybunnet]

The point I've made throughout is: is any of this in the public interest? Surely the Crown has better things to do with its time and as for police overtime... don't get me started. Estimates for running this whole show trial fiasco are now running upwards of £4.5m. Surely money that could have been better spent elsewhere e.g. health, education and the widows of the poor sods who've been killed in illegal wars.

 

personally I would have had him shot at dawn for being a waste of oxygen ... sorry I am tired waiting for the ashes to start once I get some sleep I will get off the fence and say what I would really like to do to the under life

[hamiltonjag]

Did I hear the news right earlier on?? - his brother is married to Gail's sister - if so proper creepy!

Personally I can't stand the guy. But why do you find the marriage of his brother and his wife's sister creepy? No blood ties. No family relationship other than in-laws. Seems ok to me.