For Those There Today

[The Incredible Adam Spark]

I'm glad you siad "broadly" because that isn't the case across the board.

[stolenscone]

I'm glad you said "broadly" because that's not the case.

 

That's the general theme that I took from reading the thread, but everyone's entitled to their view.

[The Incredible Adam Spark]

I think generalisations are one of the reasons this argument continues to run.

[southern jag]

I witnessed what happened yesterday and to be honest the whole thing was blown way out of proportion. Yes there was swearing and fans were upset with the poor performance of the team and the match officials..myself included...but this goes on at every football match across the country every week. Never have i seen anything so riduculous than a fan being escorted out the ground for swearing at the linesman! Lennyjag and Lennyjag Snr are on here saying they have been targeted by a group of thistle yobs...away and give us peace. Fans were shouting at the police and stewards for wrestling a fan out of the ground for what was a minor incident. I'm sure I'm not the only one that saw the steward push and kick out at the fan whilst he was being taken out the row by the policeman. If anything he should have been done for assault.

 

Lets get back to the football and get behind the team..

FTOF - FTP & FTQ

exactly the way i witnessed and felt about it

[cjptfc]

I wasn't at the game on Saturday, so I didn't see what happened.

 

And before I go on, if a wee girl was threatened or intimidated by other Jags fans, that is out of order.

 

However, I've got to comment on how this 'intimidation' came about and how it was started.

 

Sounds like it was completely avoidable as the Granda didn't have to approach a steward. If he is 64 years old and supported Thistle all his life then I'm sure he has heard it all before and I'm sure his son heard it when he first took him to the fitba'.

 

I know a lot of people don't buy the argument 'that's football', but it is. The lack of atmosphere is killing the game and no matter what way you dress it up, an atmosphere is usually generated by an us-against-them attitude and a bit of hatred to fuel the fire.

 

As a youngster, I grew up (as a Jags fan) in the shed (the REAL shed, not the shitey imitation at the end of the stand). Went to the games from 3 or 4 years old and learned all my best 'sweary' words at the fitba. I heard some terrible abuse directed at guys like Ken Eadie, John Martin, Gus McPherson's wife etc etc, and later, Richard Gough for his (alleged) penchant for minors!!! All those shouts went on but they never did me any harm, it certainly hasn't affected me in later life.

 

In all honesty, I might be talkin' pish here, but getting exposed to a bit of nonsense at an early age might help a wean become a bit more streetwise. Not turning them into thugs or anything like that but just enough to give them an idea of what the world is like.

 

I'll say again, if anyone threatened the wee lassie then your a w@nk, but it sounds like the situation could have been avoided.

[JaggyThistle]

I wasn't at the game on Saturday, so I didn't see what happened.

 

And before I go on, if a wee girl was threatened or intimidated by other Jags fans, that is out of order.

 

However, I've got to comment on how this 'intimidation' came about and how it was started.

 

Sounds like it was completely avoidable as the Granda didn't have to approach a steward. If he is 64 years old and supported Thistle all his life then I'm sure he has heard it all before and I'm sure his son heard it when he first took him to the fitba'.

 

I know a lot of people don't buy the argument 'that's football', but it is. The lack of atmosphere is killing the game and no matter what way you dress it up, an atmosphere is usually generated by an us-against-them attitude and a bit of hatred to fuel the fire.

 

As a youngster, I grew up (as a Jags fan) in the shed (the REAL shed, not the shitey imitation at the end of the stand). Went to the games from 3 or 4 years old and learned all my best 'sweary' words at the fitba. I heard some terrible abuse directed at guys like Ken Eadie, John Martin, Gus McPherson's wife etc etc, and later, Richard Gough for his (alleged) penchant for minors!!! All those shouts went on but they never did me any harm, it certainly hasn't affected me in later life.

 

In all honesty, I might be talkin' pish here, but getting exposed to a bit of nonsense at an early age might help a wean become a bit more streetwise. Not turning theo thugs or anything like that but just enough to give them an idea of what the world is like.up:

 

I'll say again, if anyone threatened the wee lassie then your a w@nk, but it sounds like the situation could have been avoided.

 

Spot on

[GOVAN JAG]

I wasn't at the game on Saturday, so I didn't see what happened.

 

And before I go on, if a wee girl was threatened or intimidated by other Jags fans, that is out of order.

 

However, I've got to comment on how this 'intimidation' came about and how it was started.

 

Sounds like it was completely avoidable as the Granda didn't have to approach a steward. If he is 64 years old and supported Thistle all his life then I'm sure he has heard it all before and I'm sure his son heard it when he first took him to the fitba'.

 

I know a lot of people don't buy the argument 'that's football', but it is. The lack of atmosphere is killing the game and no matter what way you dress it up, an atmosphere is usually generated by an us-against-them attitude and a bit of hatred to fuel the fire.

 

 

The best post of the whole thread mate. To think all of this could've been avoided if the granpa just kept quiet.

I was in Burger King the other month with my 9 year old daughter, her pal and my 65 year old mum...when in walked around ten lads in their mid twentys...shouting, swearing, shouting sexual stuff and one of them even took his trousers down...all this in front of my daughter etc. To say i was'nt happy was an understatment. Anyway, i was just about to say something when my mum beged me not to as it would've made the situation worse...and she was right.

If i said something im sure it would've been met with an angry response and could,ve resulted me in geting a bit of a doin etc....all in front of my daughter...which would be alot worse for her to witness than the swearing etc etc.

 

Sometimes people have to think before their actions and maybe just keep quiet.

As a youngster, I grew up (as a Jags fan) in the shed (the REAL shed, not the shitey imitation at the end of the stand). Went to the games from 3 or 4 years old and learned all my best 'sweary' words at the fitba. I heard some terrible abuse directed at guys like Ken Eadie, John Martin, Gus McPherson's wife etc etc, and later, Richard Gough for his (alleged) penchant for minors!!! All those shouts went on but they never did me any harm, it certainly hasn't affected me in later life.

 

In all honesty, I might be talkin' pish here, but getting exposed to a bit of nonsense at an early age might help a wean become a bit more streetwise. Not turning them into thugs or anything like that but just enough to give them an idea of what the world is like.

 

I'll say again, if anyone threatened the wee lassie then your a w@nk, but it sounds like the situation could have been avoided.

[Gordie]

to add my tuppence worth.

 

Lenny if you felt threatened or felt your child was in danger, you did the right thing and got out of there.

 

Noone can decide or tell how someone is feeling at a given time. Abuse or comments can be taken out of context, but the man was correct in his actions.

 

Me, i would have given my child to his grandfather and told him to go, and taken on anyone who wanted a go, but that is just me, sounds like bravado, but when a child is involved, feck it.

 

I was there on sat, and was a bit away from the incident, i did feel the shouts of scum etc where directed at the police and stewards.

 

Lenny mate hope you and your family are fine, and hope if you can stomach that pish on pitch, to see you soon at a game.

[madcapmilkdrinker]

I find its intolerance of stupidity astounding, and intolerence, in any shape or form, isn't a quality embraced by true Thistle men.

 

Agreed. I'm even happy to be a member of a forum that you post on.

 

I was twelve thousand miles away at the time of the game but I'd like to stick my oar in about every tiny detail of what went on.

 

Can we assume from thistlemad's posts he's barren?

[Vom Itorium]

I wasn't at the game on Saturday, so I didn't see what happened.

 

And before I go on, if a wee girl was threatened or intimidated by other Jags fans, that is out of order.

 

However, I've got to comment on how this 'intimidation' came about and how it was started.

 

Sounds like it was completely avoidable as the Granda didn't have to approach a steward. If he is 64 years old and supported Thistle all his life then I'm sure he has heard it all before and I'm sure his son heard it when he first took him to the fitba'.

 

I know a lot of people don't buy the argument 'that's football', but it is. The lack of atmosphere is killing the game and no matter what way you dress it up, an atmosphere is usually generated by an us-against-them attitude and a bit of hatred to fuel the fire.

 

As a youngster, I grew up (as a Jags fan) in the shed (the REAL shed, not the shitey imitation at the end of the stand). Went to the games from 3 or 4 years old and learned all my best 'sweary' words at the fitba. I heard some terrible abuse directed at guys like Ken Eadie, John Martin, Gus McPherson's wife etc etc, and later, Richard Gough for his (alleged) penchant for minors!!! All those shouts went on but they never did me any harm, it certainly hasn't affected me in later life.

 

In all honesty, I might be talkin' pish here, but getting exposed to a bit of nonsense at an early age might help a wean become a bit more streetwise. Not turning them into thugs or anything like that but just enough to give them an idea of what the world is like.

 

I'll say again, if anyone threatened the wee lassie then your a w@nk, but it sounds like the situation could have been avoided.

I was gonna write something very similar but had lost the will to live with this thread but your summation is spot on.

 

I think what we have amongst the Thistle support is a very diverse collection of people. Many will have been brought up in the Shed and will treat a bit of shouting and swearing as water off a ducks back while some may have forgotten their roots in this stifled existence that we all have now since the introduction of all seater stadia. Football is being sterilised. Players are frowned up on for celebrating, fans are frowned upon for even dare to stand up and god help anyone who blurts out an expletive or string of!!

[The Incredible Adam Spark]

Apologies for bringing this to the surface again, but I've reviewed my posts and realised that I probably did get sidetracked from the main issues - that of Lenny's daughter's distress - by continuing to argue my point.

 

I maintain there's a discussion to be had, but acknowledge that it should have been one for another day not in the immediate aftermath of the incident.

 

In that respect, and pushing the blame game to one side, I'd like to offer an apology to Lenny and his father and by extension his daughter and would urge them to continue to turn out for the team.

 

We're in a rut and need the support of all to pull us out of it.

 

And I really hope the club have picked up on the suggestion of a family day for Lenny and his family. I think it's a fantastic idea and one that would prove the perfect antidote to what occurred at the weekend.

[honved]

Apologies for bringing this to the surface again, but I've reviewed my posts and realised that I probably did get sidetracked from the main issues - that of Lenny's daughter's distress - by continuing to argue my point.

 

I maintain there's a discussion to be had, but acknowledge that it should have been one for another day not in the immediate aftermath of the incident.

 

In that respect, and pushing the blame game to one side, I'd like to offer an apology to Lenny and his father and by extension his daughter and would urge them to continue to turn out for the team.

 

We're in a rut and need the support of all to pull us out of it.

 

And I really hope the club have picked up on the suggestion of a family day for Lenny and his family. I think it's a fantastic idea and one that would prove the perfect antidote to what occurred at the weekend.

 

It's not often that folk on this forum come back after some quiet reflection and admit that they may have been quick to judge and maybe wrong, so well done and thanks.

[i@n]

Apologies for bringing this to the surface again, but I've reviewed my posts and realised that I probably did get sidetracked from the main issues - that of Lenny's daughter's distress - by continuing to argue my point.

 

I maintain there's a discussion to be had, but acknowledge that it should have been one for another day not in the immediate aftermath of the incident.

 

In that respect, and pushing the blame game to one side, I'd like to offer an apology to Lenny and his father and by extension his daughter and would urge them to continue to turn out for the team.

 

We're in a rut and need the support of all to pull us out of it.

 

And I really hope the club have picked up on the suggestion of a family day for Lenny and his family. I think it's a fantastic idea and one that would prove the perfect antidote to what occurred at the weekend.

 

[Big Welshy]

Apologies for bringing this to the surface again, but I've reviewed my posts and realised that I probably did get sidetracked from the main issues - that of Lenny's daughter's distress - by continuing to argue my point.

 

I maintain there's a discussion to be had, but acknowledge that it should have been one for another day not in the immediate aftermath of the incident.

 

In that respect, and pushing the blame game to one side, I'd like to offer an apology to Lenny and his father and by extension his daughter and would urge them to continue to turn out for the team.

 

We're in a rut and need the support of all to pull us out of it.

 

And I really hope the club have picked up on the suggestion of a family day for Lenny and his family. I think it's a fantastic idea and one that would prove the perfect antidote to what occurred at the weekend.

 

One of the best posts made in a while - 100% respect for anyone who is big enough to apologise and qualify his thoughts.

 

More power to your pen.

[lennythistle]

Apologies for bringing this to the surface again, but I've reviewed my posts and realised that I probably did get sidetracked from the main issues - that of Lenny's daughter's distress - by continuing to argue my point.

 

I maintain there's a discussion to be had, but acknowledge that it should have been one for another day not in the immediate aftermath of the incident.

 

In that respect, and pushing the blame game to one side, I'd like to offer an apology to Lenny and his father and by extension his daughter and would urge them to continue to turn out for the team.

 

We're in a rut and need the support of all to pull us out of it.

 

And I really hope the club have picked up on the suggestion of a family day for Lenny and his family. I think it's a fantastic idea and one that would prove the perfect antidote to what occurred at the weekend.

 

...and I fully accept it, thank you.

 

Some may have noticed the messages/Adverts on the Official site, I think they are aimed at what we experienced at the weekend.

 

I have had an acknowledgment from the club and again I am very grateful for it.

 

We won't be there at the weekend. I've made other plans for the day for Hannah Jane as I think (as do her grand parents) that she deserves spoiling a wee bit.....but just a bit, she damn well better not think it's always gona happen !! (LOL) In any case I think she's still a bit too raw to take her this weekend.

 

 

 

Myself, HJ, and her wee brother, will however be back and it will be soon (prob the Morton game).

 

Hope most understand why I was so upset, as I've said earlier......time to move on.

 

Mon the Jags.

[lady-isobel-barnett]

One of the best posts made in a while - 100% respect for anyone who is big enough to apologise and qualify his thoughts.

 

More power to your pen.

a big ditto

[B.C.G. JAG]

a big ditto

I ditto that ditto. This forum would be a more pleasant place if we all showed a little restraint and consideration.

[yoda-jag]

Glad this unsavoury incident/thread has been laid to rest, well done IAS for your post, just hope anyone who did turn on lennythistle and his daughter and his dad, have also learned their lesson and no such scenes will ever be witnessed again within our support.