Jags On The Way Out The Door.

[1 John Lambie]

I'm not in the least upset by any of it.

 

The perfect set of decisions by McCall, I think. And if we get a couple of them back at the start of next season in a minor role, that'll be fine too. If we get in even 3 decent players before the start of next season, we should do just fine with what we've already got.

 

The most worrying thing for me is MacBeth's trial down south. He looks like a real prospect, and we'd be better seeing him develop in the first team next season, thereby increasing his value. If he goes now, before he's even really broken into the team, we'll get a lot less for him.

 

You may say that, but I am 99.9% certain if we had the funds, he would not have released at least 3 of them. If Donnelly, Hinchy, Halliwell, maybe even Maxy & Corrigan haven't been signed up, I'd expect some of them to be offered some sort of deal nearer the start of the season, depending on finances.

[Steven H]

I'm not in the least upset by any of it.

 

The perfect set of decisions by McCall, I think. And if we get a couple of them back at the start of next season in a minor role, that'll be fine too. If we get in even 3 decent players before the start of next season, we should do just fine with what we've already got.

 

The most worrying thing for me is MacBeth's trial down south. He looks like a real prospect, and we'd be better seeing him develop in the first team next season, thereby increasing his value. If he goes now, before he's even really broken into the team, we'll get a lot less for him.

 

Not necessarily, he is under contract and if Bolton decide he is good enough then we will likely get a fair price for him, cant see Coyle or Henry trying to do McCall. If we were offered say £50k with a percentage of any sell-on fee would that be a fair price? We could possibly even get him back on loan!

 

The problem is tho, he could be a Thistle player next season and have a poor couple of games, then people get on his back and all of a sudden a half decent prospect becomes a Paddy Boyle, Or the other scenario is that he has a great season and leaves for heehaw (except compensation) next summer. Hmmm, tough one but we all know what our Board will do!

[1971]

 

Again in my opinion th b oard should be dipping into their own pockets.

 

 

You are such a broken record. It's embarassing.

[Mr Bunny]

Could this be the fact the player contacts have been cancelled meaning that they can be full time or part time coaches but no able to play! In terms of Hinchy, Sid and possibly Maxi.

 

Also McBeth to Bolton possibly, what fees are we likely to get for that if it went through!

 

We'd get something but probably not very much, though one'd assume there'd be extra money if he broke through to the first team there. Course, getting ahead of ourselves there, it may be they'll just keep an eye on him with him staying here. Would be OK if went for a small fee, or even nothing, but they gave us a player or two on loan as QPQ.

 

As was said above, this is a clear case where board should be dipping into their pockets. There's only 2-3 players we'd want to bring back (as coaches with player contracts to be renewed for emergencies) and a couple of months wages wouldn't amount to that much. And isn't this where the centenary fund could help - at least for one player to be brought in early before he's snapped up elsewhere - or has that been blown already?

[Third Lanark]

You are such a broken record. It's embarassing.

No its a valid point.

[Third Lanark]

All reads well to me and i hope none of them are brought back in any capacity.

 

Donnelly has been great but I don't see a job for him from now on. He is not a proven coach and he is past it as a player.

 

Hinchy as a goalkeeping coach is a waste of a wage and Maxwell should not be invited back as a coach and certainly not a player.

 

The rest of them arent good enough Corrigan is alright but nothing more, Corcoran is a waste of space and by all accounts a bit of a bad egg.

 

Credit to McCall for weilding the axe. Lets hope he doesn't go crawling back to any of them with coaching jobs in August, time to move on.

I would have been happy to have Halliwell back. Also considering I was happy for Donnelly to be released last season I would be happy for him to be brought back. While we need new strikers I would be happy for Donnelly to be used now and agains as a sub. But most importantly Donnelly has been coaching the Under 19's this year and credit where its due he is one of the main reasons why so many of the Under 19's - Burns, McGeough, McBeth have been developing well.

 

Agree with you on the rest of the players you mentioned we dont need any of them

[Pie Of The Month]

In regards to Boyle and Corcoran does anyone think we'll get rid of them during the summer?

[sandy]

Surprised that the Club has moved so quickly to confirm departures; there must be financial drivers for this.

 

Would have liked us to have given Halliwell the chance as No 1. Also felt Donnelly's presence in a coach could have helped some of the younger players develop further.

[GrantB]

Well this is just typical of the penny pinching attitude of the BoD.

 

I would have kept Sid & Hinchy as coaches and Halliwell so we at least have one keeper.

Anyone who thinks we dont need a specialised goalie coach quite frankly doesn't know what they are talking about. Goalkeeping is a unique position and you only have to look at how Tuffey came on with daily coaching from Hinchy to see the steady improvement in his performances.

 

What kind of message does this send out to people they want to buy season tickets? We should be showing something to the fans to encourage us to buy tickets early. Instead we get the usual cost cutting and penny pinching.

 

I repeat again, where is the money from PropCo that was meant to free up funds for the playing budget.

[Steven H]

Well this is just typical of the penny pinching attitude of the BoD.

 

I would have kept Sid & Hinchy as coaches and Halliwell so we at least have one keeper.

Anyone who thinks we dont need a specialised goalie coach quite frankly doesn't know what they are talking about. Goalkeeping is a unique position and you only have to look at how Tuffey came on with daily coaching from Hinchy to see the steady improvement in his performances.

 

What kind of message does this send out to people they want to buy season tickets? We should be showing something to the fans to encourage us to buy tickets early. Instead we get the usual cost cutting and penny pinching.

 

I repeat again, where is the money from PropCo that was meant to free up funds for the playing budget.

 

Apparently the dwindling crowds have impacted on that somewhat, had a discussion with WJ on this topic (cant mind if it was this forum or jagsforum.net tho) and this is what I gleaned from it.

[Woodstock Jag]

I repeat again, where is the money from PropCo that was meant to free up funds for the playing budget.

 

Grant, that's not what PropCo was for. That was a white lie that the board used to soften the blow for the fans.

 

PropCo was done because the bank were (are) on our backs. There IS NO MONEY for substantial football signings. You'll probably find that unless we released some of these players over the summer, we'd face a cashflow problem.

 

I cannot emphasise this strongly enough: the Club is in financial ruin, and expecting signings beyond fallen journeyman pros and Juniors is completely unrealistic.

[Third Lanark]

Grant, that's not what PropCo was for. That was a white lie that the board used to soften the blow for the fans.

 

PropCo was done because the bank were (are) on our backs. There IS NO MONEY for substantial football signings. You'll probably find that unless we released some of these players over the summer, we'd face a cashflow problem.

 

I cannot emphasise this strongly enough: the Club is in financial ruin, and expecting signings beyond fallen journeyman pros and Juniors is completely unrealistic.

Given that then those who seem to think we should be in the SPL need one almighty reality check. As far as I am concerned the est we can hopef or now is to survive in the first divison

[lady-isobel-barnett]

Grant, that's not what PropCo was for. That was a white lie that the board used to soften the blow for the fans.

 

PropCo was done because the bank were (are) on our backs. There IS NO MONEY for substantial football signings. You'll probably find that unless we released some of these players over the summer, we'd face a cashflow problem.

 

I cannot emphasise this strongly enough: the Club is in financial ruin, and expecting signings beyond fallen journeyman pros and Juniors is completely unrealistic.

That of course is under the assumption that other clubs are marking time. I think it's fair to assume that not a few players above the level you mention will be struggling to find clubs willing to pay their current wages. Other clubs are suffering as well.

[northernsoul]

Grant, that's not what PropCo was for. That was a white lie that the board used to soften the blow for the fans.

 

So the Trust knew this was a lie from the beginning.

[Third Lanark]

You've just completely contradicted yourself there. You said earlier in this thread that the board should be putting their hands in their pockets, now you're saying it's totally unrealistic to expect anything other than a difficult season. As someone said earlier, you're an embarassment.

No the board should be putting their hands in their pockets, they are not and wont do so that is why we are going to have a difficult season and have to get journeymen, juniors etc.

 

If the board did put their hands in their pockets and put money in then I suggest we will be able to finance quite a few new signings and not be struggling. I suggest you read up on what a contradiction is rather than appearing such a smug embarrassment.

 

I suggest you read the post properly. 1971 is clearly the poster 1876 from the old board, so why dont you reveal who you are or is that because you are embarrassed?

[GrantB]

Grant, that's not what PropCo was for. That was a white lie that the board used to soften the blow for the fans.

 

PropCo was done because the bank were (are) on our backs. There IS NO MONEY for substantial football signings. You'll probably find that unless we released some of these players over the summer, we'd face a cashflow problem.

 

I cannot emphasise this strongly enough: the Club is in financial ruin, and expecting signings beyond fallen journeyman pros and Juniors is completely unrealistic.

 

A very big white lie then. In fact, that's not what I would call a white lie at all.

Were the trustaware of this ar have you had the wool pulled over your eyes as well.

[Allan Heron]

So the Trust knew this was a lie from the beginning.

 

I think WJ is incorrect in his statement. The PropCo deal has reduced the amount of interest that the club will be paying to the bank (£60,000 was the figure if my memory serves me correctly). All other things being equal, that would represent an increase in the available budget which could have been made available for the playing staff.

 

Problem is all other things weren't equal as the crowds last season were down on what was assumed for the budget. I suspect the figures for the coming years are based on a lower assumption which more realistically reflects last years attendances. The net result is that the benefit of the lower interest payments is (more than?) swallowed up by the lower gate receipts.

 

I've no reason to think that if the other parts of the finances held up that money would have filtered through to the playing budget, but it didn't. The issue with the gate receipts was highlighted by the club at the Annual General Meeting so the logic of the situation was more than apparent back in February.

 

By a quick calculation, the £60,000 is the equivalent of 222 extra bodies at each home game.

[Woodstock Jag]

I think WJ is incorrect in his statement. The PropCo deal has reduced the amount of interest that the club will be paying to the bank (£60,000 was the figure if my memory serves me correctly). All other things being equal, that would represent an increase in the available budget which could have been made available for the playing staff.

 

Which they're not. There's still an annual deficit to plug. I'd like to think they're making a more concerted effort than previous seasons to avoid running at a larger loss, which inevitably means less expenditure.

 

I should stress that that was my personal opinion of the playing budget statement they made. I don't think people realise just how bad the financial situation is at the club, and any expectation of an increased playing budget any time soon is pipe-dream stuff.

Edited May 4, 2010 by Woodstock Jag

[MWM]

Cowan then needs to chuck the title challenge talk. It just puts un-neccessary added pressure onto the manager when there is no money to fund one.

 

Its time we were told what the **** is happening at the club. The smoke screens and bullshit have been going on too long.

Edited May 4, 2010 by MWM

[MWM]

Fixed it for you mate.

[The Incredible Adam Spark]

As someone said earlier, you're an embarassment.

Steady on, fella.

[Santana]

Agree with all. I'd be very surprised if Donnelly didn't re-sign for us like he did last year. I'd like to have seen Halliwell stay, but like Sid, I'd not be too surprised if he returns in the summer.

[GrantB]

IMO the biggest problems that the club have are the personnel on the BoD. Until there is a serious clrarout on there, we'll be lucky to stay up, something I find unacceptable for the club.

[Smurph]

Donnelly has been great but I don't see a job for him from now on. He is not a proven coach and he is past it as a player.

 

I don't get that. He's undoubtedly had his best season in a Jags shirt this (last?) season, and if anything should be kept. He's not a proven coach, but he's still learning with the youths. I highly assume he'll come back like he did last season.

 

In regards to Boyle and Corcoran does anyone think we'll get rid of them during the summer?

 

I think Boyle will meander his way back down the Clyde to Dumbarton. In fact, I hope he does.

[nohidingplace]

In regards to Boyle and Corcoran does anyone think we'll get rid of them during the summer?

 

yes if thay go part time,Boyle back to Dumbarton Corcoran who knows?