Blackpool Jags Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Happy birthday NHS. Hope you're still around for us to celebrate your 64th. You know what this shower are like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggybunnet Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Happy birthday NHS. Hope you're still around for us to celebrate your 64th. You know what this shower are like. nearly as old as you BJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted July 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 nearly as old as you BJ Yes, but not quite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meister Jag Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Happy birthday NHS. Hope you're still around for us to celebrate your 64th. You know what this shower are like. Agree totally, perhaps a victim of its own success as we're apparently living too long. So now is the time to clamp down on funding or make us all pay to draw those extra few breaths that we couldn't back in the day. Funny old world... and funny how we can run into any number of conflicts when someone who's no longer our friend but has valuable oil lights a fart! There must be oil off the coast of Oire'land so why not invade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Incognito Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Agree totally, perhaps a victim of its own success as we're apparently living too long. So now is the time to clamp down on funding or make us all pay to draw those extra few breaths that we couldn't back in the day. Funny old world... and funny how we can run into any number of conflicts when someone who's no longer our friend but has valuable oil lights a fart! There must be oil off the coast of Oire'land so why not invade? Not in Glasgow we're not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meister Jag Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Not in Glasgow we're not. Fair point, 63 in some parts and a lower life expectancy than Baghdad; or so I'm told! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Incognito Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 (edited) Fair point, 63 in some parts and a lower life expectancy than Baghdad; or so I'm told! I think overall it is about 74 for a man. In some parts of London, life expectancy for a man is 83! Some United Kingdom, eh? Edited July 7, 2011 by Guy Incognito Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmike Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 The NHS - the one thing this government doesn't want to work beyond 65.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted July 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 So much to say about this, but one great irony is that this lot intend to introduce EU competition rules into play; this simply means whole services being tendered out for the fat cat boys to get their grubby mits on a slice of the £80billion cake. We'll have a race to the bottom for the lowest bids on pay and conditions and, quality of service will plummet. The only way to avoid being treated in a (near) future crappy NHS hospital will be to get paying your private medicine insurance premiums. That's what it's all about. Oh, and once they've embedded the competion rules, they will be irreversible. All this 'natural pause to listen to people's concerns' is utter baws; every professional and his dug had already told them to back off with these nutty reforms as they wouldn't work. The reform plans did not feature in the manifesto of the Tories nor any other party, so nobody in the country voted for them. Even the crazed old Maggon and her Junta would never have tried any shit like this in their day as they'd never have got away with it. The ConDems on the other hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Incognito Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 So much to say about this, but one great irony is that this lot intend to introduce EU competition rules into play; this simply means whole services being tendered out for the fat cat boys to get their grubby mits on a slice of the £80billion cake. We'll have a race to the bottom for the lowest bids on pay and conditions and, quality of service will plummet. The only way to avoid being treated in a (near) future crappy NHS hospital will be to get paying your private medicine insurance premiums. That's what it's all about. Oh, and once they've embedded the competion rules, they will be irreversible. All this 'natural pause to listen to people's concerns' is utter baws; every professional and his dug had already told them to back off with these nutty reforms as they wouldn't work. The reform plans did not feature in the manifesto of the Tories nor any other party, so nobody in the country voted for them. Even the crazed old Maggon and her Junta would never have tried any shit like this in their day as they'd never have got away with it. The ConDems on the other hand... The ConDems basically have free rein to do what they like. The main opposition party are a shambles and in any case are little more than a milder version of the Tories themselves (despite having a leader who bears the sobriquet "red"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted July 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 The ConDems basically have free rein to do what they like. The main opposition party are a shambles and in any case are little more than a milder version of the Tories themselves (despite having a leader who bears the sobriquet "red"). The soubriquet, I imagine, is probably/definitely an irony; that'll be Ed the Red who counselled against the recent wave of public sector strikes whilst gleefully pocketing the contributions of some of the unions involved. Labour, at the present time are, unfortunately, still a bit of a shambles and are running out of time to regain enough electoral credibility to displace this rag tag and bobtail outfit at the next time of asking. If Nye Bevan was alive today he'd be turning in his grave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meister Jag Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) I think overall it is about 74 for a man. In some parts of London, life expectancy for a man is 83! Some United Kingdom, eh? ConDems are clearly at it and this will have been costed by some Whitehall policy-type: work until you're 68 before picking up an average public sector pension of £4 p.a. Spend it for a few years - six if you're going to peg it at 74, then die. So what have you actually paid for for the 40+ years of your contributions? Way I look at it, I'll have paid into my scheme for 49-years before my employers decides to let me take it. If i take it early at sixty and I'll lose 30% of whatever it's worth. But when i signed-up my contract clearly said I'd work until 60. Confused and angry? Just a little bit... But if we stay in the W of Scotland, why worry as we'll all be dead anyway. Just hope the wife and weans enjoy whatever comes their way... (fraction of the pension btw!). P.S. Sorry to go off topic; but needs must! Edited July 8, 2011 by Meister Jag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.C.G. JAG Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 I think overall it is about 74 for a man. In some parts of London, life expectancy for a man is 83! Some United Kingdom, eh? In parts of Glasgow, most notably Bridgeton, that's been known to drop to the mid-50's for a man. If you compare Glasgow with other cities, and you take account of factors like housing, addiction problems, diet, lifestyle, weather etc, we can account for 80% of that low life expectancy. In Health circles, that unexplainable 20% factor is widely known as The Glasgow Effect. None of us are doing ourselves a favour hanging around this city! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 I think overall it is about 74 for a man. In some parts of London, life expectancy for a man is 83! Some United Kingdom, eh? If you were to compare Bearsden with say Tower Hamlets or Merthyr Tydril or (London)Derry or some areas of Teeside then you would see a gap there but why look at that fact and instead have a wee nationalistic myth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 The government should maybe look to Norway on how to run a health service, we have a decent health service but we pay up to a point. Every year we pay for the first £150 worth of health service whether in doctors fee's or prescription charges, but not emergency or operation charges which is free, kids are free. The idea behind this is to stop time wasters clogging the system. We pay slightly higher taxes 36% on normal wages and 50% approx on overtime and bonusses and work till 69, but we get a free state pension which is good plus your works pension. You can opt to leave early and as long as you have had 40yrs employment your pension is full. Yes we have a low unemployment approx 1.1% for stavanger and 3% for the country, this is down to a number of things the oil business for a start, plus working week is 35hrs, holidays are minumum 5 weeks, we have national service which takes 1 yrs worth of labour away and thee school system starts late and finishes later which opens more positions. The norwegian DSS (NAV) is very active at getting people back to work with job placements and proper training (including help towards degrees), keep the people in work you increase the amount of revenue you bring in from income tax and decrease the amount you pay out in benefits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 If you were to compare Bearsden with say Tower Hamlets or Merthyr Tydril or (London)Derry or some areas of Teeside then you would see a gap there but why look at that fact and instead have a wee nationalistic myth. The gap between the life expectancies of those in Bearsden to those in parts of the east end of Glasgow must be some of the largest gaps in closest proximity to each other though. This story, whilst sensationalist does bring up the important point that in some parts of Glasgow, life expectancies are among the lowest in the developed world. I know it is old, but not much has changed since then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Incognito Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 The soubriquet, I imagine, is probably/definitely an irony; that'll be Ed the Red who counselled against the recent wave of public sector strikes whilst gleefully pocketing the contributions of some of the unions involved. It certainly is ironic, for the reasons you have mentioned; but I suspect it was welcomed by Labour as it gives their party the veneer of being socialist (when, in fact, they are anything but)and hoodwinking a few daft bassas in to voting for them. As a public sector employee, I lost all respect for the Labour party the day Gordon Brown smugly announced in parliament, grinning from ear to ear like the proverbial moggie, that 30,000 civil service posts were to be cut, knowing that he had just out-Toried the Tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Incognito Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 If you were to compare Bearsden with say Tower Hamlets or Merthyr Tydril or (London)Derry or some areas of Teeside then you would see a gap there but why look at that fact and instead have a wee nationalistic myth. Why don't we compare apples with apples instead? Since you mentioned Bearsden (which isn't, strictly speaking, in Glasgow, but I don't want to split hairs), let's compare its life average male life expectancy to Kensington in London (an area of similar socio-economic make up). In Bearsden, the average male life expectancy is 78 years, ever-so slightly higher than the UK average (yay!); in Kensington it is 84. Again, comparing apples with apples, let's compare London's Tower Hamlets with socially deprived areas of Glasgow. In the former, the average male life expectancy is 75 (below the UK average but still only three years less than that of the middle class Glaswegian suburb of Bearsden) and in the latter, as has already been mentioned in the thread, it falls as low as the 50s. Why this is I don't know and greater minds than mine seemingly cannot provide an answer either. One thing I am sure of though, is that it is not a "wee nationalistic myth" to say that people in this country die younger than elsewhere in the "United Kingdom". Since you are a fact fan, take a wee look at this at your leisure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 If Nye Bevan was alive today he'd be turning in his grave. Funny you mention ol' Nye. Bevan's own vision for a NHS was of independent providers paid for by taxation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Why this is I don't know and greater minds than mine seemingly cannot provide an answer either. One thing I am sure of though, is that it is not a "wee nationalistic myth" to say that people in this country die younger than elsewhere in the "United Kingdom". Since you are a fact fan, take a wee look at this at your leisure. Because many are useless ********. They drink too much, they smoke, they eat bad food. It's personal choice. Best way to change it is cultural habits but that takes a long time to change in people. People blame poverty but how much does booze and fags cost? How much does an apple cost in respect to a packet of pringles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Because many are useless ********. They drink too much, they smoke, they eat bad food. It's personal choice. Best way to change it is cultural habits but that takes a long time to change in people. People blame poverty but how much does booze and fags cost? How much does an apple cost in respect to a packet of pringles? It is still related to poverty, poor people are more likely to make these bad choices in life through lack of education or lack of interest in education. Social pressures and the more immediate rewards of alcohol and nicotine (and other drugs) result in greater behavioural drive towards unhealthy behaviours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.C.G. JAG Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Because many are useless ********. They drink too much, they smoke, they eat bad food. It's personal choice. Best way to change it is cultural habits but that takes a long time to change in people. People blame poverty but how much does booze and fags cost? How much does an apple cost in respect to a packet of pringles? You're doing nature and nurture there. Fruit and veg is actually pretty expensive. It's much easier and cheaper to do the old burger beans n' chips for the weans than it is to cook them a healthy 'alternative'. I work in a hospital and I despair at the food served up to patients. I despair at the food served up in the canteen. I despair that the obligatory healthy alternative they serve is as unappealing as it is - it's clearly a chore to the chefs to come up with these things and they obviously don't eat it themselves. Saying that, what the NHS has as a budget to feed a person per day - you wouldn't believe how small it is, and good food is expensive. However good diet habits needed be so out of reach, and you're right, it will take a generation to change them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted July 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 You're doing nature and nurture there. Fruit and veg is actually pretty expensive. It's much easier and cheaper to do the old burger beans n' chips for the weans than it is to cook them a healthy 'alternative'. I work in a hospital and I despair at the food served up to patients. I despair at the food served up in the canteen. I despair that the obligatory healthy alternative they serve is as unappealing as it is - it's clearly a chore to the chefs to come up with these things and they obviously don't eat it themselves. Saying that, what the NHS has as a budget to feed a person per day - you wouldn't believe how small it is, and good food is expensive. However good diet habits needed be so out of reach, and you're right, it will take a generation to change them. At last time of checking, I think it was a figure of less than £4 per day! This is for breakfast, lunch and evening meal, plus tea, biscuits etc. Unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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