Rangers Fc- A Nation Mourns?

[yoda-jag]

So, the SPL clubs and their chairmen have woken up, smelt the coffee, opened their ears and listened to their supporters, and seen their own clubs would be rooked substantially more if they kowtowed to the blue bigots staying in SPL and the comparatively small contribution one or possibly two visits a season from their knuckledragging followers and a tiny slice of the sky tv deal would bring to their coffers.

 

Added to that, looks like the chairmen are realising Sporting Integrity and Proper Justice WITHOUT fear or favour MUST come first and foremost ..... anything less, and the last chairman to leave the room may as well not just switch off the light, but remove the bulb, as Scottish Football would be deader than a dodo.

 

 

 

so the onus is will then fall on the SFL chairman to allow them into one of our divisions. Think you should have a good read at the last few days posts Mr Beattie, before you decide what direction our club is gonna take!

 

Precisely. Here's hoping and praying the SFL chairmen grow substantially sized gonads to say that ANY newco/sevco can only enter the SFL in Division 3, firstly through an application process which is open to any nonSFLclub (Spartans etc) and secondly only when a vacancy arises, otherwise the 30 member clubs (soon to be 29 after either dundee or dunfy become CLUB12) may as well shut up shop and not bother even starting this coming season.

 

And then, once the dual contracts and other investigations returns its verdict, and their SFA registration is revoked, the entry to SFL3 will be delayed by at least a year, as the minumum year long ban is applied to newco/sevco. This means someone like Spartans will gain entry to the SFL for season 2012/13, and Blue Arse Cheek FC will have to hope that a vacancy arises in time for 2013/14 season. Otherwise they will just have to kick their heels for even longer.

 

SFL chairmen have got to realise and reflect the overwhelming and united opinion of their supporters across the land when it comes to any vote on RFC/TRFC - and there is only one decision they can take - Sporting Integrity and Proper Justice WITHOUT fear or favour MUST be first and foremost in their minds when they have to make a decision - RFC/TRFC have to start at the bottom. Anything less, and clubs throughout the SFL will be crippled financially.

 

Judgement day is coming Mr Beattie et al. Do not fail us. Do not fail our club or other clubs or scottish football.

[Lindau]

So, the SPL clubs and their chairmen have woken up, smelt the coffee, opened their ears and listened to their supporters, and seen their own clubs would be rooked substantially more if they kowtowed to the blue bigots staying in SPL and the comparatively small contribution one or possibly two visits a season from their knuckledragging followers and a tiny slice of the sky tv deal would bring to their coffers.

 

Added to that, looks like the chairmen are realising Sporting Integrity and Proper Justice WITHOUT fear or favour MUST come first and foremost ..... anything less, and the last chairman to leave the room may as well not just switch off the light, but remove the bulb, as Scottish Football would be deader than a dodo.

 

 

 

 

 

Precisely. Here's hoping and praying the SFL chairmen grow substantially sized gonads to say that ANY newco/sevco can only enter the SFL in Division 3, firstly through an application process which is open to any nonSFLclub (Spartans etc) and secondly only when a vacancy arises, otherwise the 30 member clubs (soon to be 29 after either dundee or dunfy become CLUB12) may as well shut up shop and not bother even starting this coming season.

 

And then, once the dual contracts and other investigations returns its verdict, and their SFA registration is revoked, the entry to SFL3 will be delayed by at least a year, as the minumum year long ban is applied to newco/sevco. This means someone like Spartans will gain entry to the SFL for season 2012/13, and Blue Arse Cheek FC will have to hope that a vacancy arises in time for 2013/14 season. Otherwise they will just have to kick their heels for even longer.

 

SFL chairmen have got to realise and reflect the overwhelming and united opinion of their supporters across the land when it comes to any vote on RFC/TRFC - and there is only one decision they can take - Sporting Integrity and Proper Justice WITHOUT fear or favour MUST be first and foremost in their minds when they have to make a decision - RFC/TRFC have to start at the bottom. Anything less, and clubs throughout the SFL will be crippled financially.

 

Judgement day is coming Mr Beattie et al. Do not fail us. Do not fail our club or other clubs or scottish football.

 

 

Spot on again Yoda!

[lady-isobel-barnett]

Its looking more and more likely that they aint gonna get enough votes to get back into the SPHell so the onus is will then fall on the SFL chairman to allow them into one of our divisions. Think you should have a good read at the last few days posts Mr Beattie, before you decide what direction our club is gonna take!

Clearly if all SFL chairmen are involved then they'll be starting out in the 3rd Division. For newco to start in Div 1 will require a majority of Div 1 chairmen to rebel against the SFL. This is where we appear to be at.

 

The good news is that at last clubs like ours aren't going to get dictated to by those who appear happy with their lot and who fight any suggestion of league reconstruction. The bad news is of course the subject matter and there's no way newco should be playing in the 2nd tier this season coming.

Edited June 22, 2012 by lady-isobel-barnett

[The Cup]

TAKEN FROM TONIGHTS EVENING TIMES

 

From Jags to riches: Partick Thistle chief admits Rangers trade-off will bring crash

by Chris Jack

 

MONEY talks.

 

So, it seems, do those in the corridors of power at Hampden.

 

After years of inactivity and dogged stalemate, change appears imminent for Scottish football, with the demise of Rangers the catalyst for a radical overhaul of our game.

 

David Beattie knows the plans on the table will not appease everyone.

 

As chairman of Partick Thistle, the bottom line on the balance sheet is of paramount importance, yet he must judge the mood of his fellow Jags supporters as he ponders where the Scottish game is heading.

 

The Firhill supremo has been a long-time advocate of league reconstruction and the introduction of play-offs, giving teams in the Irn-Bru First Division a greater chance of claiming a place among our elite teams.

 

With newco Rangers set to be forced to play in Scotland's second tier next term, a revamp of our league system appears closer than ever.

 

The cash benefits of having Ally McCoist's side as opposition will be considerable for teams such as Thistle, Hamilton, Morton and Dumbarton, but the arrival of the Gers would all but kill off any hopes of on-field success.

 

Beattie admits the financial boom would be hard to resist for First Division chairmen, but the Jags supremo is adamant the league should not be turned into a Light Blue title procession in the coming months and has called for the best of the rest to be given a shot at promotion glory.

 

"I think the plans just now are a good compromise all round," he told SportTimes. "The balance between sporting integrity and commercialisation is one that has to be satisfied.

 

"This will not be to everyone's agreement. A lot of fans would like to see Rangers in the Third Division, but commercially that would be a nightmare for Scottish football.

 

"The key for me are the play-offs. What you don't want is Rangers coming into the First Division, winning it outright, which they probably will do, and going straight into the SPL again.

 

"If there are play-offs, then the rest of the teams have something to play for as well. I have said for a long time that there should be play-offs anyway. I know everybody won't be happy, but I think it is a good compromise."

 

Beattie has sanctioned four new signings at Firhill so far this summer, with boss Jackie McNamara building a squad he hopes will challenge for First Division glory.

 

The arrival of Rangers would throw a huge spanner in the works, how-ever, with the Jags no longer fighting the likes of Dundee and Falkirk for the league flag but likely to be left behind by McCoist's men.

 

Any on-field drawbacks would be offset by the financial gains, with the arrival of the Ibrox giants likely to generate significant funds for a cash-strapped league.

 

Clubs could benefit to the tune of around £250k if Rangers are parachuted into the First Division next term and Beattie hopes the cash boost will be significant at Firhill.

 

He said: "If the financial benefit was around £250k a year, I would be delighted –and so would Jackie.

 

"The problem is we don't have a lot of time and we don't know how much will be coming in until we have plans in place and the season starts.

 

"We are getting a restructuring of Scottish football, the move to one organisation is long overdue.

 

"Rangers are being punished, which is justified. There is a compromise between sporting integrity and commercialisation. Hopefully there is a TV deal. If that is something that comes out of this then great. I can see very few downsides to it just now.

 

"Friday night football is a good idea as well. Whether the Rangers fans would be happy with that, I don't know.

 

"Geography plays a big part in Friday night football. I don't think it should be all the time but in certain circumstances I am all for it."

 

Seeing Rangers stride out at First Division grounds may bring cheer to club chairman, but the reaction from fans has been decidedly mixed.

 

SPL followers have vowed to boycott matches if Charles Green's newco club are granted a return to the top flight, with the ultimate sanction – a place in the Third Division –the preferred option for many fans across the country.

 

Beattie said: "I can fully understand why some of the fans will be upset, definitely.

 

"I can understand why First Division chairmen will be delighted because they are getting some extra finance. That is the big compromise.

 

"I don't think putting Rangers in the Third Division would help Scottish football. Putting them in the First Division is a compromise. It is maybe not palatable for everyone, but it is a compromise that I think works. Out of adversity comes opportunity."

_____

 

 

If Beattie does this then I will never step a foot inside Firhill again. That goes for all members of my family.

 

Think about your next move Beattie.

[MerryHell]

The only way TCFKAR will apply to the SFL is if they are knocked back from the SPL.

If they are knocked back from the SPL it will be because enough chairmen decide to put sporting integrity before commercial gain.

For the SFL to then throw this out the window and say that they are happy to take the commercial gain over sporting integrity and insert them into the 1st Division is just beyond the pale.

Further to that - they will be voting at a time when I don't believe that the full facts about Rangers are yet in the public domain. Today i've read (admittedly on online forums) about former refs with EBTs, investigations into D&P, Rangers ST money going into bank accounts inaccesable to the Newco, Bids for Newco withdrawn, Newco not having enough capital etc. etc. To do anything remotely possitive in relation to Rangers could make the Chairmen look very stupid. Suppose they get parachuted into the 1st - does anybody have any confidence they would be able to see out a season?

It's not money that was budgetted for, so we shouldn't whore ourselves, or risk damaging our competition.

[Steven H]

The only way TCFKAR will apply to the SFL is if they are knocked back from the SPL.

If they are knocked back from the SPL it will be because enough chairmen decide to put sporting integrity before commercial gain.

For the SFL to then throw this out the window and say that they are happy to take the commercial gain over sporting integrity and insert them into the 1st Division is just beyond the pale.

Further to that - they will be voting at a time when I don't believe that the full facts about Rangers are yet in the public domain. Today i've read (admittedly on online forums) about former refs with EBTs, investigations into D&P, Rangers ST money going into bank accounts inaccesable to the Newco, Bids for Newco withdrawn, Newco not having enough capital etc. etc. To do anything remotely possitive in relation to Rangers could make the Chairmen look very stupid. Suppose they get parachuted into the 1st - does anybody have any confidence they would be able to see out a season?

It's not money that was budgetted for, so we shouldn't whore ourselves, or risk damaging our competition.

 

Agreed. Re the bit in bold...did Livi (and Gretna?) not get asked for money upfront to guarantee clubs wouldn't lose out in the event they couldn't fulfill their fixtures? Surely the same should be asked of Zombie Rangers regardless of the league they will be playing in.

[yoda-jag]

TAKEN FROM TONIGHTS EVENING TIMES

 

From Jags to riches: Partick Thistle chief admits Rangers trade-off will bring crash

by Chris Jack

 

MONEY talks.

 

So, it seems, do those in the corridors of power at Hampden.

 

After years of inactivity and dogged stalemate, change appears imminent for Scottish football, with the demise of Rangers the catalyst for a radical overhaul of our game.

 

David Beattie knows the plans on the table will not appease everyone.

 

As chairman of Partick Thistle, the bottom line on the balance sheet is of paramount importance, yet he must judge the mood of his fellow Jags supporters as he ponders where the Scottish game is heading.

 

The Firhill supremo has been a long-time advocate of league reconstruction and the introduction of play-offs, giving teams in the Irn-Bru First Division a greater chance of claiming a place among our elite teams.

 

With newco Rangers set to be forced to play in Scotland's second tier next term, a revamp of our league system appears closer than ever.

 

The cash benefits of having Ally McCoist's side as opposition will be considerable for teams such as Thistle, Hamilton, Morton and Dumbarton, but the arrival of the Gers would all but kill off any hopes of on-field success.

 

Beattie admits the financial boom would be hard to resist for First Division chairmen, but the Jags supremo is adamant the league should not be turned into a Light Blue title procession in the coming months and has called for the best of the rest to be given a shot at promotion glory.

 

"I think the plans just now are a good compromise all round," he told SportTimes. "The balance between sporting integrity and commercialisation is one that has to be satisfied.

 

"This will not be to everyone's agreement. A lot of fans would like to see Rangers in the Third Division, but commercially that would be a nightmare for Scottish football.

 

"The key for me are the play-offs. What you don't want is Rangers coming into the First Division, winning it outright, which they probably will do, and going straight into the SPL again.

 

"If there are play-offs, then the rest of the teams have something to play for as well. I have said for a long time that there should be play-offs anyway. I know everybody won't be happy, but I think it is a good compromise."

 

Beattie has sanctioned four new signings at Firhill so far this summer, with boss Jackie McNamara building a squad he hopes will challenge for First Division glory.

 

The arrival of Rangers would throw a huge spanner in the works, how-ever, with the Jags no longer fighting the likes of Dundee and Falkirk for the league flag but likely to be left behind by McCoist's men.

 

Any on-field drawbacks would be offset by the financial gains, with the arrival of the Ibrox giants likely to generate significant funds for a cash-strapped league.

 

Clubs could benefit to the tune of around £250k if Rangers are parachuted into the First Division next term and Beattie hopes the cash boost will be significant at Firhill.

 

He said: "If the financial benefit was around £250k a year, I would be delighted –and so would Jackie.

 

"The problem is we don't have a lot of time and we don't know how much will be coming in until we have plans in place and the season starts.

 

"We are getting a restructuring of Scottish football, the move to one organisation is long overdue.

 

"Rangers are being punished, which is justified. There is a compromise between sporting integrity and commercialisation. Hopefully there is a TV deal. If that is something that comes out of this then great. I can see very few downsides to it just now.

 

"Friday night football is a good idea as well. Whether the Rangers fans would be happy with that, I don't know.

 

"Geography plays a big part in Friday night football. I don't think it should be all the time but in certain circumstances I am all for it."

 

Seeing Rangers stride out at First Division grounds may bring cheer to club chairman, but the reaction from fans has been decidedly mixed.

 

SPL followers have vowed to boycott matches if Charles Green's newco club are granted a return to the top flight, with the ultimate sanction – a place in the Third Division –the preferred option for many fans across the country.

 

Beattie said: "I can fully understand why some of the fans will be upset, definitely.

 

"I can understand why First Division chairmen will be delighted because they are getting some extra finance. That is the big compromise.

 

"I don't think putting Rangers in the Third Division would help Scottish football. Putting them in the First Division is a compromise. It is maybe not palatable for everyone, but it is a compromise that I think works. Out of adversity comes opportunity."

_____

 

 

If Beattie does this then I will never step a foot inside Firhill again. That goes for all members of my family.

 

Think about your next move Beattie.

 

 

 

 

Mr Beattie has read the mood of the Jags support so wrong.

 

He has time to atone and change it.

 

If he is happy for Newco/Sevco/any form of RFC in SFL1 in season starting in 6 weeks, he will be equally happy to have lost my custom for the remainder of my life.

 

I feel i will be only one of 100's if not 1000's who never set foot inside Firhill again, or ever spend another penny on the club.

 

Think long and hard Mr Beattie about what you have said in the ET. If you wish to kill PTFC off, you are going the right way about it.

 

Listen to the Jags support.

 

Before there is no Jags support left to listen to.

 

 

 

The only way TCFKAR will apply to the SFL is if they are knocked back from the SPL.

If they are knocked back from the SPL it will be because enough chairmen decide to put sporting integrity before commercial gain.

For the SFL to then throw this out the window and say that they are happy to take the commercial gain over sporting integrity and insert them into the 1st Division is just beyond the pale.

Further to that - they will be voting at a time when I don't believe that the full facts about Rangers are yet in the public domain. Today i've read (admittedly on online forums) about former refs with EBTs, investigations into D&P, Rangers ST money going into bank accounts inaccesable to the Newco, Bids for Newco withdrawn, Newco not having enough capital etc. etc. To do anything remotely possitive in relation to Rangers could make the Chairmen look very stupid. Suppose they get parachuted into the 1st - does anybody have any confidence they would be able to see out a season?

It's not money that was budgetted for, so we shouldn't whore ourselves, or risk damaging our competition.

 

Correct MH. Much more to come out yet.

 

Do not go to the Dark Side Mr Beattie.

 

Unless of course, this is the perfect excuse to press the PTFC nuclear button, and have a club soon playing to a handful of supporters whereby you can justify bulldozing it all and commencing Propco.

Edited June 22, 2012 by yoda-jag

[Paddy Thistle]

Got to admit I'd be well peed off it we prostituted ourselves for the H*n pound

Edited June 22, 2012 by Paddy Thistle

[Winter of '63]

The only way TCFKAR will apply to the SFL is if they are knocked back from the SPL.

If they are knocked back from the SPL it will be because enough chairmen decide to put sporting integrity before commercial gain.

For the SFL to then throw this out the window and say that they are happy to take the commercial gain over sporting integrity and insert them into the 1st Division is just beyond the pale.

Further to that - they will be voting at a time when I don't believe that the full facts about Rangers are yet in the public domain. Today i've read (admittedly on online forums) about former refs with EBTs, investigations into D&P, Rangers ST money going into bank accounts inaccesable to the Newco, Bids for Newco withdrawn, Newco not having enough capital etc. etc. To do anything remotely possitive in relation to Rangers could make the Chairmen look very stupid. Suppose they get parachuted into the 1st - does anybody have any confidence they would be able to see out a season?

It's not money that was budgetted for, so we shouldn't whore ourselves, or risk damaging our competition.

I don't think the SPL Chairmen - with the possible exception of Rob Petrie of Hibs - will give sporting integrity much weight in making their decision about the Newco vote. Polls are showing 95%+ of fans are against Zombie Rangers being voted in to the SPL - the Chairmen can see that voting yes is going to antagonise their own customer base and they will fear this will be an even worse business scenario.

David Beattie has recognised that this is a once in a generation to make radical changes to Scottish Football. I would be apalled if our Club was party even in a small way to facilitate the return of the tedious Old Firm monopoly and the repugnant circus(to paraphrase Stuart Cosgrave) which goes with it.

Rangers have been shown to be an even more a despicable Institution than I had imagined and I don't think that much of the Murdoch Empire either so I wouldn't really want their money.

 

Mr Beattie should read the signs and do the right thing.

[ClydebankJag]

Bullshit Beattie!!!

 

If Rangers start in Div3 then we will likely still get their money at some point, because they will go back up through the league, so please don't whore our club for a quick cash boost this season BECAUSE you will lose more from OUR fans that turn away from the club.

[Dunfermline Jag]

That statement on the official site just makes things worse. How can we say this has nothing to do with PTFC or pretend that the club has not yet come to a view when our own chairman has already made clear his support for a particular proposal?

 

When the hole gets too big you should STOP digging!

[The Cup]

That statement on the official site just makes things worse. How can we say this has nothing to do with PTFC or pretend that the club has not yet come to a view when our own chairman has already made clear his support for a particular proposal?

 

When the hole gets too big you should STOP digging!

 

It makes it worse when Falkrik have come out against Newco starting in the SFL1.

[Aldo27]

DB is completely missing a trick here!

 

With the speculation that the Glasgow cup could be reintroduced in a league format to allow sky to get at least 2 old firm games a season, that would mean we would get at least 4 games against the ugly sisters for at min of 3 seasons if rangers are put where they belong with tv money.

 

If DB votes to get rangers in our league that would probably mean the possibilty of only having the Glasgow cup for next season meaning we could potentially lose out financially from allowing them into our league and also lose the heart of our club us the fans!

 

DB should be pushing the Glasgow cup and getting rangers in SFL3! Not backing them to join us in sfl1/spl2 next season

 

Think long and hard DB!!!

 

[Jaggyman]

I have been hanging back from buying a season ticket. If Mr Beattie votes for newco in Div 1 i wont be buying said season ticket

[Dick Dastardly]

It makes it worse when Falkrik have come out against Newco starting in the SFL1.

That's not quite what he said. If you read the statement, it is not much different to what Beattie is saying, but without as much detail

 

"The board at Falkirk FC strongly believe the current turmoil should be a catalyst for change in Scottish Football."

 

“It would be totally unacceptable if a “Rangers Newco” were admitted to the First Division on the current rules."

 

“Any decisions taken by our board will be made in the best interests of our club and of Scottish football.”

 

Pretty close to our comments (and on P&B Bairns fans are up in arms about his attitude)

[hamiltonjag]

I know everybody won't be happy, but I think it is a good compromise

 

No. It isn't.

 

Enjoy you orange pound Beattie.

[michael m]

That statement on the official site just makes things worse. How can we say this has nothing to do with PTFC or pretend that the club has not yet come to a view when our own chairman has already made clear his support for a particular proposal?

 

When the hole gets too big you should STOP digging!

 

Saw my first Thistle game as we coasted to the First Division title in 1976 - seen so many ups and downs since then and shed many tears and raised many laughs - had the great priviledge of being a part of things behind the scenes for many years of the past 36 years and the bus journey home from Peterhead will never be surpassed! HOWEVER now is the time that the main players take full cognisance of the current situation and realise the true feelings of fans.

 

The SPL Chairmen have woken up and smelt the coffee and are going to do what is right and that is not allow a side who have cheated to the tune of potentially 7 league titles and many cups while at the same time stifling creditors (the majority to you and me - honest tax players) to the tune of almost £100,000,000. There may be more to come or there may not be, but is that 9 digit number not enough to spell out the damage they have done to society.

 

I know my club have been basically farting in the wind trying to compete, but while it was a level playing field I could put up with that - now we are talking about an extremely crooked playing field - and it is clear as day that the Scottish footballing public have no time for any machinations that might ease the pain of a deceased club and its offspring.

 

My plea to our BOD, who I know most of and respect greatly is DO NOT underestimate the feeling of the customers here. Yes the need for change is great and we all agree with that - but surely that can be done whether Son of Rangers is in Division One, Division Three or no division at all? Remember SOR have no vote so therefore cannot influence!!! I can undestand that by my rough calculations we would make approx £150k from two extra matches with Rangers from gate money alone (remember we gain no additional Corporate money as that is franchised out!) which would be nice, but at a guess we would lose fans to the tune of approx £90k (please note this is pure guess work but educated guessing i hope!) but remember that is EVERY season from now on. I join with nearly every other Thistle fan on here to say to the BOD be very careful here - the feeling is very strong - no Cheats Charter - I would hate to think after 36 years that I have seen my last ever Thistle game.

[sm62]

what he said

[sandy]

Great post Mr M.

 

The day that Thistle put money ahead of sporting integrity, would be the death of things to come.

 

Mr Beattie, I hope you are reading every word from the very many committed fans who have been posting on the newco fiasco. Dont make our Club the laughing stock of the SFL.

[lady-isobel-barnett]

what he said

ditto

[johnnylambieslovechild]

Michael great post and exactly what i wanted to say but not that good with words

[Lindau]

Nice one MM. Feelings are running high and we need the chairman to retract his statement and re issue it with a "I will consult with my clubs supporters before my club gives a decision" We are a laughing stock on some of the other football forums with some other SFL fans saying they will boycott Firhill if we vote to let that arrogant, cheating, scum into Div 1/SPHell 2. Add that to the long term jags fans you are going to lose makes this a very serious error of judgement on your part but one that can be quickly rectified. Lets hope,for the sake of our club, you come to your senses and do the right thing!!

Edited June 23, 2012 by Lindau

[lennythistle]

I don't think i could add anything other than my total agreement to what MM said. Many a time on here I've given my support to David Beattie and the board. I feel David's recent comments have been ill advised and risk alienating the Board from the fans, at a time when a lot of good work was being done to bring us all closer together.

 

Scottish football needs change, we all know that, we all want that. Changing to help out Rangers is just wrong..UNFORGIVABLE in fact.

 

I'm fearful for our club this morning.

[Third Lanark]

Saw my first Thistle game as we coasted to the First Division title in 1976 - seen so many ups and downs since then and shed many tears and raised many laughs - had the great priviledge of being a part of things behind the scenes for many years of the past 36 years and the bus journey home from Peterhead will never be surpassed! HOWEVER now is the time that the main players take full cognisance of the current situation and realise the true feelings of fans.

 

The SPL Chairmen have woken up and smelt the coffee and are going to do what is right and that is not allow a side who have cheated to the tune of potentially 7 league titles and many cups while at the same time stifling creditors (the majority to you and me - honest tax players) to the tune of almost £100,000,000. There may be more to come or there may not be, but is that 9 digit number not enough to spell out the damage they have done to society.

 

I know my club have been basically farting in the wind trying to compete, but while it was a level playing field I could put up with that - now we are talking about an extremely crooked playing field - and it is clear as day that the Scottish footballing public have no time for any machinations that might ease the pain of a deceased club and its offspring.

 

My plea to our BOD, who I know most of and respect greatly is DO NOT underestimate the feeling of the customers here. Yes the need for change is great and we all agree with that - but surely that can be done whether Son of Rangers is in Division One, Division Three or no division at all? Remember SOR have no vote so therefore cannot influence!!! I can undestand that by my rough calculations we would make approx £150k from two extra matches with Rangers from gate money alone (remember we gain no additional Corporate money as that is franchised out!) which would be nice, but at a guess we would lose fans to the tune of approx £90k (please note this is pure guess work but educated guessing i hope!) but remember that is EVERY season from now on. I join with nearly every other Thistle fan on here to say to the BOD be very careful here - the feeling is very strong - no Cheats Charter - I would hate to think after 36 years that I have seen my last ever Thistle game.

Great post Michael, I know you have contact with the club is there any chance you could email what you have said in your excellent post to the directors.

[Lindau]

If we believe what is written in the Record today (facts are this rags has got all its exclusives in this saga spectacularly wrong) its a done deal and if thats the case I am finished forever with Partick Thistle and Scottish football. I cant believe that my club can back this but Mr Beatties comments over the last few days makes it clear he and the club are happy to run with this . Its the end for Scottish football. Throw the diddy teams a few scraps , get the cheating, bigotted, debt free, tax doging scum back, into the SPHell in the quickest time possible. If this is true Scottish football has died today and a 100 year bond (from my grandad to my sons) with my family and Partick Thistle is broken forever. Thanks Mr Beattie.....One Thistle, dont make me laugh!!!

 

http://www.dailyreco...86908-23899716/

Edited June 23, 2012 by Lindau