One Word Post - Should Scotland Be An Independent Country? Yes Or No.

[i@n]

 

Ask yourself if it had been a 55 to 45 for YES and the better together campaign was blaming certain sectors of the population on age or nationality, proposing boycotts of several companies employing Scottish people and claiming the vote was rigged, what tactics would you state they were taking??

I would think they were just a wee tad upset and wetting their knickers on social media and then I'd putt the telly on.

[crazy davie]

Yes. Scotland should be an independant country.

[kni]

Yes. Scotland should be an independant country.

 

Sorry to be pedantic, but it's independent.

[Jaggernaut]

Do you honestly believe Salmond who has suffered a massive defeat, even in the SNP's heartlands? Salmond lied about iScotland automatically becoming an EU member on independence day and other important issues, especially Sterling. His personal credibility and reputation, especially in Brussels, is in tatters. Did Sturgeon knife him and force the resignation? ETA - the truth will come out eventually but don't under-estimate the power of the Eurocrats who bear grudges against those that cross them.

 

Do you forget the lies from unionists about bombing Scottish airports, people losing their pensions, Scots being denied organ transplants, Scots children being unable to get treatment at Gt. Ormond St, etc. etc? Why call Salmond's views "lies?" As for zero credibility in Europe, I think you need look no further than Cameron.

 

What makes you suspect that Sturgeon "knifed" Salmond? Leaders come and go all the time, so why the "knife" remark?

 

The Scottish electorate was lied to by Westminster about more powers being delivered starting on the 19th if they voted "no." There is still not a single hint of what those "powers" will be.

 

Out of interest, what kinds of "increased powers" would satisfy you?

[Jaggernaut]

Plenty of evidence starting to accumulate for the vote being rigged:

 

 

 

 

What's clear is that next time there needs to be ID submitted at the time of the vote, and that everything should be done electronically.

[jaggybunnet]

Plenty of evidence starting to accumulate for the vote being rigged:

 

 

 

 

What's clear is that next time there needs to be ID submitted at the time of the vote, and that everything should be done electronically.

 

all been debunked and that's by yes voters who were doing the supervising. please try better.

 

edited to keep Jaggernaut from starting web page stating ** No Camp admit to buying yes votes**

Edited September 25, 2014 by jaggybunnet

[Jaggernaut]

all been debunked and that's buy yes voters who were doing the supervising. please try better

 

Please direct us to links.

 

ETA: "buy yes" ... Nice one!

Edited September 25, 2014 by Jaggernaut

[P-R]

Please direct us to links.

 

ETA: "buy yes" ... Nice one!

Sorry, but as much as I would have liked a Yes vote to win I have a hard time believing there was any conspiracy going on. http://wingsoverscotland.com/our-man-on-the-scene/

Edited September 25, 2014 by P-R

[jaggybunnet]

Sorry, but as much as I would have liked a Yes vote to win I have a hard time believing there was any conspiracy going on. http://wingsoverscot...n-on-the-scene/

 

thank you

[Jaggernaut]

thank you

 

One guy at one counting station….. That's your evidence for "all debunked" "buy yes voters" (plural)….?

[Jaggernaut]

In a leaflet released by Better Together (it's on their facebook page) it is stated:

"September 19th 2014 - The day after a NO vote the timetable for further powers will be published as a motion before the UK Parliament. All UK Parties will support the motion".

An utter lie. Gordon Brown has since moved the goalposts. In his speech on Saturday he said: "Published yesterday, the resolution to Parliament will be laid formally when it opens its doors on Monday."

Make no mistake; what Brown said before the vote was a barefaced lie; motions can't be formally "laid" "moved" or "tabled" until the Commons sits again; this isn't scheduled to happen until the middle of October.

The Unionists deceived the Scottish electorate by making a promise they knew would not be kept. And too many of the electorate naively believed them, again.

[Guy Incognito]

While I wouldn't put it past Westminster to have rigged the vote (when has the British establishment ever conceded part of their 'empire' without a fight?) no firm evidence has come to light yet to suggest that they did.

 

Dirty tricks took place in the campaign, undoubtedly, but they took place before the vote, in the form of scaremongering and media manipulation. Arguably, you could regard 'the vow' as a trick too. I think it is unlikely that it swayed many people from a Yes to a No but it surely ran contrary to the Edinburgh agreement, which ruled out any further devolution as an option.

[kni]

 

In a leaflet released by Better Together (it's on their facebook page) it is stated:

"September 19th 2014 - The day after a NO vote the timetable for further powers will be published as a motion before the UK Parliament. All UK Parties will support the motion".

An utter lie. Gordon Brown has since moved the goalposts. In his speech on Saturday he said: "Published yesterday, the resolution to Parliament will be laid formally when it opens its doors on Monday."

Make no mistake; what Brown said before the vote was a barefaced lie; motions can't be formally "laid" "moved" or "tabled" until the Commons sits again; this isn't scheduled to happen until the middle of October.

The Unionists deceived the Scottish electorate by making a promise they knew would not be kept. And too many of the electorate naively believed them, again.

 

The motion can be tabled tomorrow as the Commons has been recalled to discuss, or vote on, military action against the Islamic State. Gordon Brown has been granted time for debate on 16th October to discuss his proposals and the timetable for extra powers. You can't blame all the Unionists for the Better Together campaign's propaganda or Gordon Brown's statements.

[Jaggernaut]

The motion can be tabled tomorrow as the Commons has been recalled to discuss, or vote on, military action against the Islamic State. Gordon Brown has been granted time for debate on 16th October to discuss his proposals and the timetable for extra powers. You can't blame all the Unionists for the Better Together campaign's propaganda or Gordon Brown's statements.

 

Sorry, kni, but Gordon Brown was put forward as the better together's champion because the dismal Darling was clearly an embarrassment to, well, just about everybody. Do you really believe that as Westminster is licking their lips at the prospect of killing many more women and children in a foreign country ("unfortunate collateral damage") that they will even consider at the same time the possibility of a motion to placate Scottish "gnats?" I don't, but will wait to see.

[kni]

Sorry, kni, but Gordon Brown was put forward as the better together's champion because the dismal Darling was clearly an embarrassment to, well, just about everybody. Do you really believe that as Westminster is licking their lips at the prospect of killing many more women and children in a foreign country ("unfortunate collateral damage") that they will even consider at the same time the possibility of a motion to placate Scottish "gnats?" I don't, but will wait to see.

 

I have despised Gordon Brown for several years - an incompetent Chancellor who wasted £billions on gold sales and bank bailouts. I have always been opposed to military invention in Iraq. It was the West that armed the IS against Assad and the result is more "blowback" in Iraq.