jagaloon Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Surely the FA cup is the oldest cup started in 1871-2? oldest cup competition maybe, but their cup got nicked therefore the sfa cup is the oldest continuous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wragg Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Thistle have went through 5 League seasons unbeaten at Firhill. 4 times when we became Second Division Champions 1896-97 (8-1-0, 34-12) 1899-00 (9-0-0, 33-10) 1970-71 (16-2-0, 53-9) 2001-02 (12-6-0, 38-15) And even once in the top flight (we finished 4th) 1910-11 (13-4-0, 30-12) Seeing as this is the geek thread, what is inaccurate about this post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) Thistle have went through 5 League seasons unbeaten at Firhill. 4 times when we became Second Division Champions 1896-97 (8-1-0, 34-12) 1899-00 (9-0-0, 33-10) 1970-71 (16-2-0, 53-9) 2001-02 (12-6-0, 38-15) And even once in the top flight (we finished 4th) 1910-11 (13-4-0, 30-12) Seeing as this is the geek thread, what is inaccurate about this post? The past participle of 'to go' is 'gone' . 2001 - 2002 we were First Division champions. Edited July 19, 2013 by Charlie Endell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wragg Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 The past participle of 'to go' is 'gone' . 2001 - 2002 we were First Division champions. OK so far, Chick. Anything else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 OK so far, Chick. Anything else? D'oh! We didn't play at Firhill in 1896 / 1897 and 1899 / 1900. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wragg Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 D'oh! We didn't play at Firhill in 1896 / 1897 and 1899 / 1900. Bingo! This isn't a serious dig at TJR, by the way. I'm quite into my trivia. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Bingo! This isn't a serious dig at TJR, by the way. I'm quite into my trivia. Missed that one. Well spotted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted July 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) No factoid input from the Forum? Poor show. With a man of the stuthejag's calibre onboard too... Surely the FA cup is the oldest cup started in 1871-2? The Scottish Cup claim is a bit of a fly one I grant you, but true all the same. Jagaloon was quite right... The Oldest National Football Trophy in the World Although there is evidence of football trophies existing prior to 1873 it is factually correct to state that the Scottish Cup is the oldest trophy within Association football and the oldest national football trophy in the world. Surviving trophies such as the Youdan Cup (1867) are from a different football code (Sheffield Rules) and cannot be placed within the context of the Association game. As Association football is the modern world game it can be argued that the Scottish Cup is the oldest trophy in World Football. The FA Cup as a competition dates from 1871 making it two years older than the Scottish Cup competition but the present FA trophy dates from 1911 and the original was stolen in 1895, never to be recovered. http://www.scottishf...l.cfm?page=3132 Jukebox Rebel are you tagged and can't get out much nowadays, that must've taken a lot of time to research and type? Er, excuse me, I've already slagged myself off enough in the thread title itself, thank you very much... Nah, it's not as hard as you think. Took me about 90 minutes of copy and paste from statto.com into an excel spreadsheet. And I'm a dab hand at Excel, been using it for admin work for years. Bish bash bosh, any Jags League stats query I can now do in seconds. As you will soon discover. (evil laugh: Muuuhhhuuuuwwwwaaaahhhhhh!) I can always find a bit of free time for stuff that interests me. Labour of love, innit? After that, I'm just indulging in my natural homosapien urge to share. I do not profess that this is pioneering research for the greater good of all mankind. At least Norge and his Da' liked some of it, that'll do for me. And BTW, if anybody wants a copy of my spreadsheet just PM me and I'll e-mail you an attachment. D'oh! We didn't play at Firhill in 1896 / 1897 and 1899 / 1900. H Wragg / Charlie, I said Second Division when I should have nullified the ambiguity by the use of the term second tier. It's a fair point. Unbeaten at Firhill has now been changed to unbeaten at home with a wee reference to the stadiums added for interest. See post 7. Good spot fellers, I'm glad you're paying attention I will do my damndest to respect the Theesell's history and do better with today's posts... _____________________________________________________ ↓ The A to Z of Independence-Sorting myth from fact ↓ http://www.newsnetsc...-misinformation ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Edited July 19, 2013 by The Jukebox Rebel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted July 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) Most goals scored in a League campaign (total) 1928-29 • 91 1926-27 • 89 1927-28 • 85 1970-71 • 78 1930-31 • 76 1953-54 • 76 2012-13 • 76 1932-33 • 75 1938-39 • 74 1946-47 • 74 1933-34 • 73 1936-37 • 73 1929-30 • 72 notes: Jags strikers were rid hoat in the late 1920's... Class of 1971 in fine League form... Last season's strike force were right up there at joint 5th in the all-time greats list... Edited July 19, 2013 by The Jukebox Rebel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted July 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Most goals scored in a League campaign (per game average) 1896-97 • 3.39 1893-94 • 3.11 1899-00 • 3.06 1894-95 • 2.78 1953-54 • 2.53 1946-47 • 2.47 1895-96 • 2.44 1928-29 • 2.39 1926-27 • 2.34 1901-02 • 2.27 1927-28 • 2.24 1970-71 • 2.17 2012-13 • 2.11 1947-48 • 2.03 1957-58 • 2.03 1930-31 • 2.00 notes: We have scored an average of 2.0+ goals in 16 of our 113 League campaigns... Once again, and despite the tactical differences in the modern game, the classes of 1971 and 2013 nestle in at the top of the charts with ye bygone eras... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted July 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Most goals conceded in a League campaign (total) 1908-09 • 102 1938-39 • 87 1969-70 • 82 1959-60 • 78 1933-34 • 78 1926-27 • 74 1925-26 • 73 1935-36 • 72 notes: Seems 1908-09 (the Ibrox season) was the biggest nightmare in our history... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted July 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Most goals conceded in a League campaign (per game average) 1897-98 • 3.56 1894-95 • 3.44 1893-94 • 3.22 1898-99 • 3.22 1895-96 • 3.00 1908-09 • 3.00 1900-01 • 2.45 1969-70 • 2.41 1959-60 • 2.29 1938-39 • 2.29 1902-03 • 2.27 1904-05 • 2.15 1952-53 • 2.10 1948-49 • 2.10 1957-58 • 2.09 1933-34 • 2.05 1954-55 • 2.03 1960-61 • 2.03 1907-08 • 2.03 1966-67 • 2.00 notes: We have conceded an average of 2.0+ goals in 20 of our 113 League campaigns... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted July 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Some observations from the stats: 1908-09 was our 34th and final season as "Nomads", with games being played at Ibrox that year. Our results suggest that we were a broken team that season, conceding a club record 102 goals. We were clearly on our knees. We finished rock bottom and were only spared relegation due to Abercorn being rejected for promotion. The next season we finally found home. Maryhill seemed to work wonders for the spirits. Season 1910-11 was the one and only time in our history that we remained unbeaten at Firhill in Premier League business and we finished in a lofty 4th. It was quite some turn around from our stint at Ibrox 2 seasons earlier... All this topsy-turvy madness took place under the same manager, George Easton, who managed Thistle from 1903–1929. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 26 years?? There is loyalty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 was it then Donald Turner until after the war, then Meiklejohn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rid Skwerr Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Good effort, TJR, anyone can add up the numbers but your interpretation and weaving a wee story around the bare facts makes them much more interesting.Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted July 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 was it then Donald Turner until after the war, then Meiklejohn? Indeed, but not that I know much about these things you understand. Got that from the Wikipedia manager's list. Which, by the way, is wrong about the Peter Cormack / Benny Rooney years (suggesting they switched in 1983). Cormack took us through 1983/84 season and Benny Rooney took over in May 1984. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partick_Thistle_F.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted July 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Most points in a League campaign (total) 2012-13 • 78 2000-01 • 75 2001-02 • 66 1991-92 • 57 2005-06 • 57 1970-71 • 56 2008-09 • 55 1930-31 • 53 notes: What a proud stat for Alan Archibald and Scott Paterson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Most points in a League campaign (total) 2012-13 • 78 2000-01 • 75 2001-02 • 66 1991-92 • 57 2005-06 • 57 1970-71 • 56 2008-09 • 55 1930-31 • 53 notes: What a proud stat for Alan Archibald and Scott Paterson. Jackie surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wragg Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Most points in a League campaign (total) 2012-13 • 78 2000-01 • 75 2001-02 • 66 1991-92 • 57 2005-06 • 57 1970-71 • 56 2008-09 • 55 1930-31 • 53 notes: What a proud stat for Alan Archibald and Scott Paterson. Remember the seasons pre 91/92 would have been 2 points for a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted July 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Most points in a League campaign (when 3 points for a win is theoretically applied to all seasons) 1991-92 • 80 1970-71 • 79 2012-13 • 78 1930-31 • 77 2000-01 • 75 1982-83 • 69 1921-22 • 68 2001-02 • 66 1962-63 • 66 1983-84 • 65 1915-16 • 65 1920-21 • 63 notes: Interesting one-two-three angle... 1. Lambie, 2. McParland, 3. Archie Same query applying 2 points per win across all seasons flips seasons 1930/31 and 2000/01. Nothing else changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted July 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) Both of the previous points stats are inherently flawed mind you, what with the varying number of games played. The next two queries level the playing field against all-history... Highest % of points won in a League campaign (when 3 points for a win is theoretically applied to all seasons) 1896-97 • 83.33% (Committee) 1899-00 • 79.63% (Committee) 1975-76 • 74.36% (Bertie Auld) 1970-71 • 73.15% (Davie McParland) 2012-13 • 72.22% (Alan Archibald) 2000-01 • 69.44% (John Lambie) 1930-31 • 67.54% (Donald Turner) 1901-02 • 65.15% (Committee) 1962-63 • 64.71% (Willie Thornton) 2001-02 • 61.11% (John Lambie) 1991-92 • 60.61% (John Lambie) 1982-83 • 58.97% (Peter Cormack) The conditions are fair for this query. According to the stats these are THEE greatest 12 Thistle League seasons of all-time. Wee Bertie's team played a stormer in '75-'76. Best modern day League season according to the stats. In case there was any doubt as to the great Lambini's godlike genius, here's the proof. Under Lambie, Thistle were led to League glory more often than with any other manager in our history. Peter Cormack's Jags were unlucky not to bounce back into the Premier League at the first time of asking. Despite a good campaign St.Johnstone and Hearts were too hot. Only two of the all-time great League season stats were achieved in the top flight of Scottish football. In my opinion, Donald Turner's 1930-31 campaign and Willie Thornton's 1962-63 campaign stand as the greatest feats in the list. Same query applying 2 points per win across all seasons makes no change to the order of the Top 12 seasons listed. Edited July 19, 2013 by The Jukebox Rebel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted July 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Highest % of games won in a League campaign 1896-97 • 77.78% 1899-00 • 77.78% 1975-76 • 65.38% 1970-71 • 63.89% 2012-13 • 63.89% 1930-31 • 63.16% 2000-01 • 61.11% 1901-02 • 59.09% 1962-63 • 58.82% 1953-54 • 56.67% 1893-94 • 55.55% 1946-47 • 53.33% 1947-48 • 53.33% 2001-02 • 52.78% 1991-92 • 52.27% 1982-83 • 51.28% 1905-06 • 50.00% 1910-11 • 50.00% 1915-16 • 50.00% 1918-19 • 50.00% 1931-32 • 50.00% 1957-58 • 50.00% notes: We have won at least half of our games in 22 of our 113 League campaigns... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted July 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Fewest points in a League campaign (total) 1898-99 • 6 1908-09 • 8 1900-01 • 10 1897-98 • 13 1894-95 • 17 1969-70 • 17 1895-96 • 18 1902-03 • 19 notes: 6 points! FFS! Sack the committee! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jukebox Rebel Posted July 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Lowest % of points won in a League campaign (when 3 points for a win is theoretically applied to all seasons) 1908-09 • 9.80% 1898-99 • 14.81% 1969-70 • 21.57% 2003-04 • 22.81% 1900-01 • 23.33% 1981-82 • 25.93% 1995-96 • 27.78% 2002-03 • 30.70% notes: According to the stats, the Ibrox season was absolutely the worst League campaign in Thistle's history... The class of 1970 was apalling. What a rebuild that would be... Even the King of Spain couldn't salvage anything from the wreckage of 2003/04... Same query applying 2 points per win across all seasons flips season 2003-04 with 1900-01 and season 1981-82 with 1995-96... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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