The Cup Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Why did Bradford have to pay Falkirk compo then? I'm pretty sure Barcelona also waived their compo fee for Colina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennymac29 Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) Only if he moves to a club in Scotland. If he moves outwith the country, we'd get nothing. If he moves to another EU country we get compo although I'm sure everyone reading this knows that. It's a moot point as there's no way Sellotape would take a chance on a jags player. Crazy conversation. Edited October 30, 2013 by kennymac29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowenBoys Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Think we could afford that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Gums Murphy Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 For me, Taylor-Sinclair should be in the next Scotland squad. If that happens then suddenly he goes on everyone's radar. I'd love to see him sign a new contract if only so that when he does move on we could potentially net the same type of windfall that Hamilton did with McCarthy. However, if you were being fair, Montrose deserve the credit for recognising his potential & nurturing him as a teenager. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Guaranteed a s soon as he leaves Thistle he will get the call up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Incognito Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 For me, Taylor-Sinclair should be in the next Scotland squad. If that happens then suddenly he goes on everyone's radar. I'd love to see him sign a new contract if only so that when he does move on we could potentially net the same type of windfall that Hamilton did with McCarthy. However, if you were being fair, Montrose deserve the credit for recognising his potential & nurturing him as a teenager. Sinky isn't a bad shout at all for a Scotland call up. He has done well so far this season - even his crossing has improved - and Gordon Strachan doesn't exactly have scores of left-backs to pick from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Edmonds Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Sinclair's absolutely nowhere near international level. As well as he's been doing in the Scottish Premiership (and personally I'd have him down as our most consistently impressive performer), it's obvious that there's still elements to his game that need maturing. That will come with a full season playing at his current level, so it's worth waiting to see where he's at come the end of the season with regards to whether he could handle a bigger move. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 For me, Taylor-Sinclair should be in the next Scotland squad. If that happens then suddenly he goes on everyone's radar. I'd love to see him sign a new contract if only so that when he does move on we could potentially net the same type of windfall that Hamilton did with McCarthy. However, if you were being fair, Montrose deserve the credit for recognising his potential & nurturing him as a teenager. Cant see it happening but would be a great gesture if he done this to recognise the help that Thistle and Montrose have been to his career. He has a great future ahead of him if he continues to work hard. Definite potential to be a future Scotland full back but needs to improve a bit defensively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted October 31, 2013 Members Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 I reckon he needs another season at least at SPL standard football to mature and build experience. Although he's played very well at times this season, he's not played well consistently enough to be considered for International recognition. However, saying that, how the hell Wallace gets in the squad I've no idea. I think Robertson of Dundee United may be considered to have been more consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted October 31, 2013 Members Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 For me, Taylor-Sinclair should be in the next Scotland squad. If that happens then suddenly he goes on everyone's radar. I'd love to see him sign a new contract if only so that when he does move on we could potentially net the same type of windfall that Hamilton did with McCarthy. However, if you were being fair, Montrose deserve the credit for recognising his potential & nurturing him as a teenager. Talking of Hamilton, ATS reminds me of the left back Hamilton had (Brian Easton) when they had that excellent crop of young players. Big, fast, strong, excellent going forward and defensively. He went to Burnley at the time when they got promoted to the Premiership, but now back in Scotland with St Johnstone. Didn't look half the player he was back with Hamilton when he played against Thistle the other week there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandyellowallover Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 I'm obviously getting confused with the situation surrounding Joe Ledley. I just remember at the time that Cardiff were hoping he wouldn't join Celtic as they'd get no compensation but if he joined an English club then they'd get something for him. Training compensation would be due if he moved across associations but it would be vastly reduced to what we would get if he joined a Scottish club. Apparently we'd get training compensation if he signed a pre-contract with a foreign club during the season in which he turns 23 (this season), but my understanding is if he runs his deal down, leaves after the end of the season and then signs for an English or other foreign club we'd get nothing. This is what happened with Ledley. http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/celtic/186212-cardiff-pursuit-of-celtic-for-ledley-fee-doomed-to-fail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 It would be great if Archie could persuade ATS to extend his contract with some kind of agreement to agree to sell him on if any offer over (figure to be agreed) came in and the player agreed to move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 It would be great if Archie could persuade ATS to extend his contract with some kind of agreement to agree to sell him on if any offer over (figure to be agreed) came in and the player agreed to move. Surely doing that has a negative effect financially for the player as his signing on fee would be greatly reduced as part would be used to pay Thistle? Or say we put a 50k release, on it and celtic lose interest in him... how many teams have actually paid a transfer fee for a player over the last 3 transfer windows? St Mirren paid 50k for Dougie Imrie christmas 2011, but strangely that mirrored the 50k hamilton had paid them for Jon McShane in the summer 2011. did money change hands? apart from that Hibs? There's always talk of this big pot of gold down in england, but how many players are going over the border for a transfer fee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 It would be great if Archie could persuade ATS to extend his contract with some kind of agreement to agree to sell him on if any offer over (figure to be agreed) came in and the player agreed to move. And why the hell would ATS want to reduce his options by doing something like that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre Pundit Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Either way, we currently have ATS on a SFL1 contract - he won't be getting paid much and this will in some way offset the potential for a small transfer fee if we resigned him on an SPL contract with a release clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 And why the hell would ATS want to reduce his options by doing something like that ? For an immediate wage rise? I think that any team who is seriously going to take him from us would be prepared to pay 50K. But it's unlikely, I know, and maybe not in keeping with PTFC's current wage structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Either way, we currently have ATS on a SFL1 contract - he won't be getting paid much and this will in some way offset the potential for a small transfer fee if we resigned him on an SPL contract with a release clause. Was thinking about that the other day. Would the players maybe have a promotion wage increase built into their contracts, even if they did not extend their contracts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre Pundit Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Was thinking about that the other day. Would the players maybe have a promotion wage increase built into their contracts, even if they did not extend their contracts? Bonus, yes, but wouldn't have thought automatic promotion wage increase. Albeit if he did have then he's certainly deserving of it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Archie knows he off whatever happens at end of season. Do we take- assuming someone comes in & ATS wants to go- money & future transfer clauses in January? The other assumption is that we've been looking at potential replacements knowing he's going & we could bring them in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Archie knows he off whatever happens at end of season. Do we take- assuming someone comes in & ATS wants to go- money & future transfer clauses in January? The other assumption is that we've been looking at potential replacements knowing he's going & we could bring them in. Yes, but only if ATS wanted to go already in January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 If Archie can bring in quality players like Osbourne and Higginbotham for nothing then we can replace Sinclair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) Hmm, I've had second thoughts. If we're doing really well come January, still in the Cup, with a real chance of the top six, and ATS is on good form, then it might backfire to offload him for just 50K, as we'd probably make much more than that in the remainder of the season if our good form and run continued. So unless Archie already had a replacement who could almost seamlessly replace ATS at left back, then if the scenario that I mentioned comes to pass, I wouldn't sell him. I reserve the right to change my mind yet again after I've thought about it some more. ETA: 100K......? Edited October 31, 2013 by Jaggernaut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Wragg Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 For a player with the potential that ATS has then I'd put a much higher value on him than 100k, gone are the days of the meat market !! Players were bought and sold for a realistic value without smaller clubs losing out on much needed revenue from those sales , no wonder football , particularly here is going downhill !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleveland steamer Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 I'm going to start booing every touch he has until he signed a new 5-year contract with a £1M+ buy-out clause... Seriously though, I'd never want to stand in the way of a player going on to bigger (not better) things - we've all accepted that this is our position at present, and it'll hopefully stand us in good stead with young players with potential in the future. Must admit tho that I've always had doubts about ATS making the step up - knew he had the raw physicality, but unsure about his decision making. He seems to have improved this so far this season tho - probably benefiting from our manager having done the same role. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blutarsky Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 Strange that ATS has never represented Scotland at any level. Left sided players with pace and a touch of skill are rare enough. He also played a substantial number of first team games for Montrose and Thistle before reaching 21, something that Wotte advocates tirelessly (or tiresomely if you follow him on Twitter). Is it another case of the SFA walking the walk but only watching and selecting from the establishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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