jlsarmy Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Seriously underwhelmed by the lack of signings and it now looks as if we're going back down the road of trialists and journeymen pros looking for a last pay day. David Beattie said at the end of the season staying in the league meant we could now compete in the transfer market , with less than a month to go before our first league game that statement seems highly debateable. Surely by the end of the season we should have identified a new left back to replace ATS who we knew was going in January , similariily another centre half to replace Mair . IMO it's time we started thinking like an SPL club because the lack of signings impact on other areas of the club , eg season ticket sales , hospitality , sponsorship etc . At this moment after just staying up last season it looks like we're considerably weaker ( no ATS , Lyle Taylor , Lee Mair ) and only one signing ( Ryan Stevenson) . It surely must be a disadvantage getting players in at this late stage , have they done their pre season ? and getting up to speed with the system we play . Thought this season we could have pushed on but not so sure about that now . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Willjag Posted July 17, 2014 Members Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 It looks to me like Barr is the replacement for Mair and Mustoe is the replacement for ATS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Gums Murphy Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 I'm sure Archie must be frustrated too with lack of signings despite what he is saying in media putting on a brave face Maybe our wage structure is not appealing to potential decent signing targets. It's worrying now as from what I saw yesterday we are real weak defensively. Gabby played 2nd half instead of Aero and he was poor. In fairness Darren Barr was ill and missed match and Mustoe injured. So perhaps if these 2 plus other 2 trialists get a game on Saturday will be easier to judge. But at the moment not looking great. I'm not sure Darren Barr the answer at centre half. As for Mustoe, haven't seen the boy so unfair to comment but as been mentioned before, we've had a year to identify a replacement for ATS & the best we can do is bring someone in on trial. If Gabby was playing then does that put paid to his loan away from the club which apparently the chairman was telling jags fans over in Spain last week? It genuinely doesn't seem we're at the races. There might be 6 weeks to the end of the transfer window still but it was the manager who stead he was looking for 6 signings & getting business done early. Now that may not have meant all 6 but I doubt it meant one. Barr/Paterson players that can cover different positions has been said. Does that mean they're not good enough to hold down one position in a team? As for trusting the manager, I think he needs help. He can't do it all on his own. Been mentioned every other page but the scouting system should've been sorted by now. Genuinely believe we're in the same situation as this time last year in the sense that we're looking for agents to bring players to us rather than already having found out what's out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Stevenson Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 I agree it's a concern that we have only one new signing but I would feel worse if we had given Josh Magennis a three year contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Barr/Paterson players that can cover different positions has been said. Does that mean they're not good enough to hold down one position in a team? Using that logic then a fair few of our existing players like McMillan, Stevenson, Bannigan plus Osbourne from last season would come into that category. Barr has spent nearly all his career playing for clubs that were above us in terms of league.position. Paterson has played most of his career in SPL and English Championship. I'd suggest they could both be reasonable signings if they can prove their fitness (Barr that he's injury free and Paterson that he's still got the legs). I'll be near the head of the queue in saying these are very big "ifs" but I think it's disingenuous to suggest they're duds simply because they've played in a few different positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Using that logic then a fair few of our existing players like McMillan, Stevenson, Bannigan plus Osbourne from last season would come into that category. Barr has spent nearly all his career playing for clubs that were above us in terms of league.position. Paterson has played most of his career in SPL and English Championship. I'd suggest they could both be reasonable signings if they can prove their fitness (Barr that he's injury free and Paterson that he's still got the legs). I'll be near the head of the queue in saying these are very big "ifs" but I think it's disingenuous to suggest they're duds simply because they've played in a few different positions. Respect your opinion LIB but Darren Barr had a torrid 3 years at Hearts , released by Kilmarnock after a year hardly inspiring , Jim Paterson is now 35 years old hardly the future, can't really understand why we can't now compete with the teams around about us in terms of finance as we're probably on a level footing with most of them . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angry gaz Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Respect your opinion LIB but Darren Barr had a torrid 3 years at Hearts , released by Kilmarnock after a year hardly inspiring , Jim Paterson is now 35 years old hardly the future, can't really understand why we can't now compete with the teams around about us in terms of finance as we're probably on a level footing with most of them . Have to agree more with jlsarmy here.Either one of these signings carries a big element of risk and that is not something we can afford in this position. It was the problem position all last season and we , at this point, don't seem any closer to solving that problem. Hope archie can hold his nerve and maybe pull something out of the hat here .This is potentially one of the most vital signings he'll ever make for the club and he has to get it right. ..............worried of Kingspark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Jim Patterson, surely his injury record is a concern. 3 times he's suffered a broken leg. Last time was last pre-season. I wonder if we ever looked at McCracken at Falkirk to replace Mair's experience, until he signed a 1 year deal in May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liamconnollyglasgow Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I think Muirhead deserves a chance was aparantly carrying an injury all season last yeat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Celtic Nation are much worse than Gateshead. Does Colin McMenamin play for hem? If Magnay wasn't good enough then this guy must be god awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cup Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 The current team is much worse than the one that finished last season. Top 6???? Aye right. How about signing a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Hansen Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 The current team is much worse than the one that finished last season. Top 6???? Aye right. How about signing a player. Patience needed, it is the name of the game these days that players will obviously hold out for the best deal possible hence things going to the wire, trust in our management team as they came up trumps at the last window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThickAsThieves Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I agree with all of that but when you're patient with 5 or 6 signings, in key positions, it may be that you're scrambling to fill 2 or 3 of them come the very end of the window. Would be nice to get one or two in now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Gums Murphy Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Agree with most of the comments written on this page. Alan Hansen- I agree that patience is required to an extent but when the fans patience is rewarded with guys like Jim Paterson coming in on trial... Maybe the management team are getting a little worried at the lack of new faces? I agree about Muirhead but we still need at least one more centre half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Respect your opinion LIB but Darren Barr had a torrid 3 years at Hearts , released by Kilmarnock after a year hardly inspiring , Jim Paterson is now 35 years old hardly the future, can't really understand why we can't now compete with the teams around about us in terms of finance as we're probably on a level footing with most of them . The two points I'm making is firstly versatility is a plus point and, given the level they've played at, in those two players would certainly not be a negative. Secondly they will have to show their fitness. Well I sincerely hope so. And, a third point I suppose, they'd be there to pass on their experience and hold the fort till the younger players we've got gain that experience and maturity. I'm unsure myself as to whether they're the best affordable option around, probably not. We won't sell many extra season tickets on the back of signing them. Hopefully there's more inspired signings to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hosie Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 We are not at the races, being linked with dross. On the basis of players we've been linked with rather than signed I'm not going to bother going to games this season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robphil Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 a tad unnerved by the possible arrival of jim paterson; whilst st mirren have signed (on loan) a 19-year-old centre-back who has just signed a contract extension with man city, we appear to be looking at a player who will be 35 in sept and who has suffered three broken legs. i haven't forgotten that dave mackay (who'd recovered from two broken legs) was england's 'footballer of the year' with brian clough's derby county at the age of 35. with all due respect, however, jinm paterson is no dave mackay.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhs Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) a tad unnerved by the possible arrival of jim paterson; whilst st mirren have signed (on loan) a 19-year-old centre-back who has just signed a contract extension with man city, we appear to be looking at a player who will be 35 in sept and who has suffered three broken legs. i haven't forgotten that dave mackay (who'd recovered from two broken legs) was england's 'footballer of the year' with brian clough's derby county at the age of 35. with all due respect, however, jinm paterson is no dave mackay.... Check out Big Jim Paterson's goal... Sign him now!!!! In all seriousness, on paper, I think he is not the signing we want. However, if he can prove he is fit and he can still move with more mobility than an Edinburgh Tram, he could be worth a deal for a year. Plenty experience to help organise and guide our defence. Is he even any better than Mair though?! If not, and we sign him, then we have gone full circle or even backwards. Edited July 18, 2014 by mhs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dan Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 The current team is much worse than the one that finished last season. Top 6???? Aye right. How about signing a player. How does it compare to the team that we had assembled at this point last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jags on tour Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 How does it compare to the team that we had assembled at this point last year? the team we have now is probably better! kerr and baird were rotten, we have now higgy,fraser,gabby, gallacher and stevo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Gums Murphy Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 How does it compare to the team that we had assembled at this point last year? Arguably worse in terms of squad depth but then I think the manager realised the team he assembled last Summer wasn't good enough hence why Baird & Forbes left the club along with bringing in another centre half. So since the end of last season we've lost arguably our most consistent player over past couple of seasons- ATS- & have not replace him despite him indicating he'd be off at the end of his current contract. We've released the player that the management team saw as the answer to our central defensive 'problems' last Summer & in Jan - Lee Mair. We've lost out on a player that we'd like to have kept after his loan spell but not only that, a position that the manager was looking to further strengthen last Summer but couldn't get anyone else in after John Baird. Also from last Summer's squad we've signed Gary Fraser permanently now which is a fantastic signing imo but that's tempered with the fact that Sean Welsh's injury problems seem to be never ending. We were short going into the Autumn last season, the manager & the BoD realised that & rectified it in Jan with Taylor, Baubem, Erskine & Mair. We've replaced them, so far, with Stevenson. Last week it was bad enough that we were t linked with anyone & had trialists like Barr & Magnay but this week we have Jim Paterson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 On the basis of players we've been linked with rather than signed I'm not going to bother going to games this season. Ha ha you had me there when I skim read it. Sucked in. Then read it again and relaxed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Murray Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I propose a mass burning of season tickets at protest at the people we have been linked with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThickAsThieves Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) Paul Gallacher Scott Fox Jordan McMillan Stephen O'Donnell Conrad Balatoni Aaron Muirhead Gabriel Piccolo Liam Lindsay Dale Keenan --- NEW LB --- --- NEW CB --- Stuart Bannigan Gary Fraser Sean Welsh David Wilson --- NEW MID --- Kallum Higginbotham Ryan Stevenson Steven Lawless Christie Elliott James Craigen Declan McDaid --- NEW AM/W --- Kris Doolan Chris Duggan --- NEW ST --- Looking at who we've got, including the players expected to make the step up (can maybe add Simon Colina), there's what I think we need. Edited July 18, 2014 by ThickAsThieves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I propose a mass burning of season tickets at protest at the people we have been linked with. We've been linked with someone? Must've missed that one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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