BowenBoys Posted August 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 As soon as the banned player enters the pitch, he has played a part in achieving the victory. It's clear that Billko is trying to make case for Legia being reinstated at the expense of Celtic whom Sevco's hoards of knuckle-draggers hate with sectarian venom. Do you understand now? I'm certainly beginning to understand the extent of some peoples hatred on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjptfc Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Then surely these H8ns must hate their own team for the same reasons? Or is it because they've come down in the world they can do that? Haha, fair enough! I only commented to stop the tarring of all with the same big brush! No deviation from thread subject intended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 great thread. will read again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billko Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/sports/soccer/justice-served-up-the-uefa-way.html?smid=fb-share&_r=1 The sectarian New York Times (Those knuckle draggers who hate with sectarian venom are everywhere) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 http://www.nytimes.c...d=fb-share&_r=1 The sectarian New York Times (Those knuckle draggers who hate with sectarian venom are everywhere) Just read some of the comments there........ did a load of folk from Brigton and Dalmarnock get re-housed over there to make way for the commonwealth games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kni Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) http://www.nytimes.c...d=fb-share&_r=1 The sectarian New York Times (Those knuckle draggers who hate with sectarian venom are everywhere) There are lots of Irish Americans who support Celtic in New York City. Not an influence on NYT journalists? Remember NORAID which raised $ millions for the IRA in NYC? Try wearing your Rangers scarf in an Irish bar in the Big Apple. There is, of course, no sectarianism there and they will welcome you with open arms. Edited August 11, 2014 by kni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billko Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 There are lots of Irish Americans who support Celtic in New York City. The Big Apple was a major source of donations to the IRA. Try wearing your Rangers strip in a Celtic bar! Did this just go right over you head kni? They have an opinion similar to mine but are they spouting sectarian venom? Thanks for the info on NY and will keep that in mind next time i'm in NY wearing my Rangers strip and sash. Do you know what bars i should stay away from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billko Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 There are lots of Irish Americans who support Celtic in New York City. Not an influence on NYT journalists? Remember NORAID which raised $ millions for the IRA in NYC? Try wearing your Rangers scarf in an Irish bar in the Big Apple. There is, of course, no sectarianism there and they will welcome you with open arms. Did this just go right over you head kni? They have an opinion similar to mine but are they spouting sectarian venom? Thanks for the info on NY and will keep that in mind next time i'm in NY wearing my Rangers strip and sash. Do you know what bars i should stay away from? You edited your whole post What about the Sporting Integrity aspect? Surely Legia have a case or is that spouting sectarian venom again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 You edited your whole post What about the Sporting Integrity aspect? Surely Legia have a case or is that spouting sectarian venom again? Sporting integrity wasn't broken as the rules were followed - to the letter. There might be a case for campaigning for something more of a sliding scale in the punishment depending on the situation - after all rules can sometimes turn out to be not as well thought out as they should be (SFA take note) but according to the rules Legia have to go out. Apart from that you have to be careful if you do go down the road of amending the rule as you might leave loopholes to be exploited by clubs. I might add, Legia do themselves no favours trying to embarrass Celtic into dropping out. UEFA would probably hammer them if they did. I'd guess this partly about the Legia board trying to deflect fan anger from their own blunder. They must know they've got next to no chance with this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 I might add, Legia do themselves no favours trying to embarrass Celtic into dropping out. UEFA would probably hammer them if they did. I'd guess this partly about the Legia board trying to deflect fan anger from their own blunder. They must know they've got next to no chance with this. Pretty much the way I see it. Celtic have done nothing wrong here - Legia messed up administratively and should be addressing why they did so inside their own organisation. They could start by reading the rules and learning to convert penalties. Celtic are quite right to maintain a dignified silence over this matter. If they continue to do so, it would be the single most significant example of cognitive dissonance I can ever recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billko Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Sporting integrity wasn't broken as the rules were followed - to the letter. There might be a case for campaigning for something more of a sliding scale in the punishment depending on the situation - after all rules can sometimes turn out to be not as well thought out as they should be (SFA take note) but according to the rules Legia have to go out. Apart from that you have to be careful if you do go down the road of amending the rule as you might leave loopholes to be exploited by clubs. I might add, Legia do themselves no favours trying to embarrass Celtic into dropping out. UEFA would probably hammer them if they did. I'd guess this partly about the Legia board trying to deflect fan anger from their own blunder. They must know they've got next to no chance with this. I totally agree that Celtic have done nothing wrong here but only question the severity of the punishment handed down by UEFA I also agree that Legia are not doing themselves any favours with their latest actions and it's all a bit desperate on their part. I suppose getting any representative of Scottish football into a later stage (or an early stage depending how you look at it) of a European competition is good for the game, but i just think it's all a little bit embarrassing considering the results in both games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 I totally agree that Celtic have done nothing wrong here but only question the severity of the punishment handed down by UEFA I also agree that Legia are not doing themselves any favours with their latest actions and it's all a bit desperate on their part. I suppose getting any representative of Scottish football into a later stage (or an early stage depending how you look at it) of a European competition is good for the game, but i just think it's all a little bit embarrassing considering the results in both games. Yes they were right royally (sorry) and very amusingly horsed over both legs. But why should Celtic feel embarrassed because a professional football club competing in the Champions League failed to fill out their paperwork properly? Legia Warsaw should feel embarrassed for their incompetence, and this from someone who is no apologist for the east end ugly one. They got lucky, but through no fault, or jiggery pokery of their own. Legia Warsaw are the embarrassment here, for having made such a schoolboy error in the first place, and also for their statements yesterday (if accurately translated). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billko Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Yes they were right royally (sorry) and very amusingly horsed over both legs. But why should Celtic feel embarrassed because a professional football club competing in the Champions League failed to fill out their paperwork properly? Legia Warsaw should feel embarrassed for their incompetence, and this from someone who is no apologist for the east end ugly one. They got lucky, but through no fault, or jiggery pokery of their own. Legia Warsaw are the embarrassment here, for having made such a schoolboy error in the first place, and also for their statements yesterday (if accurately translated). Can't really argue with that BR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillresigned Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) I don't see the problem here, one team screwed up its paperwork and as anyone who's ever played or coached the game at any level could tell you the one thing you don't bugger about with is fielding Ineligible players for whatever reason. The severe penalties for falling to comply are universally understood. Apart from, perhaps the corridors of Hampden when they impinge against Govan's finest. The actions of Legia Warsaw, are nothing more than a smokescreen. In my and UEFA's view, Celtic are entirely blameless, on this matter. Edited August 12, 2014 by stillresigned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy davie Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Surely Legia have a case or is that spouting sectarian venom again? I would suggest that the perception (such as it is) of a tinge of "sectarian venom" is because you seem unduly agitated by the seeming unfaurness of it all, whilst no-one else really gives a sh1t... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_mac Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Sevco over-paid granddads 1 Jambo 2 Your patter is, and remains, the worst I've ever seen or heard, anywhere. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_mac Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Apparently the mistake was made by a girl in the admin office at Legia. Can only imagine what she's going through now. Won't take long for her identity to be revealed and we all know how fanatical the supporters are over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 If they continue to do so, it would be the single most significant example of cognitive dissonance I can ever recall. Mssrs Regan, Longmuir & Doncaster did set that bar at an almost insurmountable height. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billko Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 I would suggest that the perception (such as it is) of a tinge of "sectarian venom" is because you seem unduly agitated by the seeming unfaurness of it all, whilst no-one else really gives a sh1t... Well Celtic fans and the like don't give a sh1t Crazy Davie but it's made news everywhere with alot of folk thinking it's a bit unfair on Legia I'm sure the vast majority of these folk are not sectarian at all but can just see the bigger picture here. Point me to when i was agitated or are you making things up again Crazy Davie? My crime for being accused of spouting sectarian venom was to think and say the punishment didn't fit the crime. I still think this but it's directed at UEFA and not Celtic Do you get it now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Apparently the mistake was made by a girl in the admin office at Legia. Can only imagine what she's going through now. Won't take long for her identity to be revealed and we all know how fanatical the supporters are over there. The job paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_mac Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 The job paper. I was thinking more along the lines of the Witness Protection Programme! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee jim Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 In most walks of life any infringement of "the rules" is punished on the basis was there any attempted to gain an advantage or it can be shown that a genuine administrative error was made. An easy judgement can be made in this case. But as we all know that Uefa and Fifa orbit in an entirely different universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjptfc Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 I can see UEFA's dilemma here. The punishment certainly seems disproportionate to the crime but what else are they supposed to do? There needs to be a line drawn somewhere, a set of rules which if broken at all need to be addressed. They can't have a rule, with a thousand sub-rules saying 'if a team are pumping a team 6-1 and the guy is on the pitch less than 5 mins the this rule-breaking will be overlooked'. Where does it end? There needs to be a line somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Legia broke the rules. There is a fixed penalty for this breach of the rules I can understand why Legia are trying all they can as there is so much money at stake, but the rules are the rules and their bums oot the windae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy davie Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) Well Celtic fans and the like don't give a sh1t Crazy Davie but it's made news everywhere with alot of folk thinking it's a bit unfair on Legia I'm sure the vast majority of these folk are not sectarian at all but can just see the bigger picture here. Point me to when i was agitated or are you making things up again Crazy Davie? My crime for being accused of spouting sectarian venom was to think and say the punishment didn't fit the crime. I still think this but it's directed at UEFA and not Celtic Do you get it now? The point I was trying to make was... Everyone thinks it's unfair but hey-ho. You also think it's unfair and seem to be getting all agitated about it. And that is why, I believe, there is a perception (such as it is) of "sectarian venom". Do you get it now? Edited August 13, 2014 by crazy davie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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